Dual mono compressor/limiter plugin for Master fader

Hi Guys/Gals
Anyone know of a dual mono compressor/limiter plugin for the Master fader? I can do it in ProTools with a couple of different RTAS plugs but cannot find AU plugs that do the same.
Cheers!
Bobs

Thx for the tip Dave!
I'm checking out Xenon now, also discovered that the Fairchild in T-Racks Deluxe has link/unlink options too, hopefully people will post more plugins
Bobs

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That's not so nice, because the audio is actual 2 mono channels (2 different mics on interviews)
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Can this be done in Quicktime.
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UODATE:
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So I found a way to create new Dual Mono masterclips, but still I'm not able to alter the originals to the sequence clips.
The building will close here. So have to leave.
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http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/FinalCut_Pro_6_NewFeatures.pdf
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FCPX 10.0.9 is refusing to treat just one of my clips as dual mono.
When I right-click, show in timeline, it opens in a timeline with a single audio track showing.
For all the other clips / projects, right-click -> show in timeline reveals two separate audio tracks.
This clip was shot in the same exact way as every other clip. In fact, it was shot in between other clips that work.
When i select the clip, the inspector shows Channel Configuration - Dual Mono, in both the timeline and the event browser. Same as all the other clips.
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10 quitting, renaming the clip in the finder, and reopening FCPX
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Wow - hours and hours spent... no solution...
OK, when I "expand audio + video" in the project timeine I get...
Then collapse that, and "expand audio components"
Wow! Dual mono. And the waveforms are clearly different, indicating true dual-mono. But I can't seem to independently move those tracks; all my tools just try to select parts of the clip.
If I click the clip and "open in timeline", it looks as above, but I no longer have the option to "expand audio components."
So for a different example, one that worked without any trouble or tricks...
Then right-click, open in timeline...
Very different result. That clip was shot AFTER the non-working one. The clip I shot before works as well. The odds that I changed something on my camera for that one clip, and then changed it back...??
I went through all my camera switches and menus (HMC-150, shooting AVCHD) and can't find anything remotely relevant to the problem at hand.
Also, as I said in my list of attempts at solving, a couple of other clips had the same problem and it went away with solutions 3 + 6 above. So it's definitely, in my mind, a program glitch.

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I'm missing something, I'm sure, right? I normally record a mic to a channel and NAT sound to another channel - so say for example, I might mic up a presenter on stage, and take that feed into Channel 1 (external source) and leave my on-cam mic set to internal for Channel 2 - so I can bring that up in the edit for either Q&A from the audience or just to swell applause. In FCP7 audio tracks showed dual mono as two tracks with individual overlays so you could adjust each channel as needed. In X I only see a single track of dual audio, and in the information box, I can check or uncheck the channel I want - and a lot of times, that's good enough, but how do you keep both channels and adjust the volume of each one seperately?

Tom - thank you. So to make sure I am clear though, (my audio was always dual mono, and in the inspector they are represented as two seperate tracks where I have the option to check or uncheck each one), but the timeline, they appear as a single track and in your solution (which worked) you are saying to break apart (as in make them seperate from each other and able to fall out of sync? that kind of break apart?) it still worked I was able to see two tracks, similar to FCP7 - and I can adjust volume seperately on each channel, but are they no longer linked in terms of sync? If I am understanding correctly, then is that to say there is no way to keep their connection to the video they belong to and also still see each channel and adjust each channel independently of the other?

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