Dual Stack vs Split Stack
Hi Gurus,
We are in the process of installation of CRM 2007 server. We were faced with a choice between Dual
Stack and a Split Stack. To our client, we adviced Dual Stack installtion, while they were insisting on
a Split Stack installation. They finally agreed to proceed with Dual Stack installation, but wanted some
documentation highlighting the pros & cons of the both. Could you give any relevent notes or some
documentation for the same? Thanking you in advance
Regards,
Savan Kumar D.
Uhhhhh,
You wrote :
...to our client, we adviced Dual Stack installation...
Now you are asking for documentation of the pros and cons of both. What do you base your advice on if you not know what you are doing now?
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