Duet and Guitar Rig 3 kontrol Edition

I recently purchased Guitar Rig 3 Knotrol Edition to use with Duet and I am in the process of setting it up. Can they both work together or do I have to disconnect Duet? After installing the software, I see RigKontrol3 in the Apple System Preference panel and in the LogicPro 8 Core Audio panel I also see RigKontrol3. Thank you.
Carlos

Sorry for the late post. I have plugged the guitar into a Waves PRS GTR via mic in cannon plug on the Duet, used the L/R audio outs to a power amp/cab for live audio and can still use the Guitar Rig controller via USB to make preset/effects changes. Also with this set up I can record to Logic, power down the amp and use headphones. Still experimenting with different configurations and other software gtr appz.

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Audition CS5.5 and Guitar Rig 4/5

I've just installed AA CS5.5 as a trial, and I found a strange conflict with Native Instruments Guitar Rig VST plugin. The software recognizes the plugin smoothly in the plugin manager, but it just stays greyed out, so I can't use it.
I've tried with Guitar Rig 4 & 5, with no luck. Both work perfectly on Adobe Audition 3. I'm using Windows XP SP3 and M-Audio Fast Track Pro with ASIO drivers. Anybody experiencing the same issue?

Okay, I've spent some time this morning looking at Guitar Rig 5 in CS5.5 and CS6. Guitar Rig can install a lot of flavors of audio plug-in depending on your need. Audition only cares about the VST and Audio Unit (on Mac.)
There was an issue we found in Audition CS5.5 where some effects don't properly report their channelization. While not technically an Audition bug (it's part of the VST spec, I believe) we were not trapping these wayward plug-ins, which is why you saw Guitar Rig listed, but disabled. We addressed this issue in Audition CS6 by catching plug-ins that do not respond to channel requests as expected and assigning them as appropriate.
Guitar Rig is now enabled in Audition CS6 VST Effects List
More importantly, Audition CS6 opens up some pretty impressive effect channelization options which allow you to route the channels of a file into an effect in any manner you like. This allows you full control over which channel is assigned to which effect input, and which channel the output should be applied.
Feeding a 5.1 file into a Mono effect now enables precise control over channel routing.
Full control over 5.1 files into 5.1 effects as well. Any combination of channelizations and effects should work well.
Lastly, here's Guitar Rig 5 running in Audition CS6. While it definitely works, I do not recommend modifying this particular guitar track. Much like trying to pitch correct Freddie Mercury, Keith Richards guitar work does not benefit from additional processing

Adobe Audition 3 and Guitar rig 2?

Will these 2 work together?
I use Cubase normally but I would like to try Audition.
I would like to record a clean guitar track and then apply Guitar rig as vst or whatever will work.
Is it possible?

According to the Native Instruments website Guitar Rig 2 has both DirectSound and ASIO drivers.
Audition works with ASIO so you can either use the native ASIO driver or wrap the DirectSound driver with the Audition 3.0 Windows Sound or the ASIO4ALL WDM wrappers.
Of course you could download the Audition v3 trial and try it yourself (assuming you already own Guitar Rig 2).

Bus and Aux and Guitar Rig 3

I am a little new to the whole idea of busing. I am getting Guitar Rig 3 and have read where I need to bus the audio to another track, as I record, to get the recorded effect. The track it is plugged into will get only a clean guitar sound recorded, and I need to bus the output to another track to get the effect recorded.
I read the manual and is it just as easy as selecting an output bus for a track and an AUX track just appears?
Any help would be great.
Thanks
RH

Guitar Rig shows up as an audio unit.
1. Create a new track.
2. Select that track.
3. Look at the leftmost column in the Logic window.
4. Right click on one of the buttons under the text that says "Inserts".
5. Guitar Rig is found under Audio Units->Native Instruments
Then double click the Guitar Rig button whenever you want to change a Guitar Rig setting. I believe that Logic does record the straight guitar track and applies Guitar Rig and any other effects on the fly.

Guitar Rig 3 and Duet

I am trying to get Duet and Guitar Rig 3 v3.2.0 and Logic Pro 8.0.2 to work together. After selecting Guitar Rig3 in the Insert slot of the channel strip and enabling record, I am able to hear the guitar through the monitors but there is no GR3 sound effect. The GR3 Global Header does not display any in or out activity. But upon play back, I hear the GR3 effect on the guitar track.
I have been adjusting so many settings, I am afraid I might have set something along the way incorrectly - Perhaps in Maestro or in Logic Preferences? Also should Input Monitoring be selected? To make things simple, I unplugged the USB connection to the GR3 foot pedal. That will be a different project for another day. Any help would be appreciated.
Carlos

Hi,
software monitoring must be On in logic
Input monitoring must be off in maestro...
about your plugin (Guitar rig) ask ti NI support if you have priblem)
G

Guitar Rig 3 problems :(

I am using an iMac with 2Gb RAM and 1.83 dual Intel processors that hasn't had any problems before, and now when using GR3 (Rig Kontrol edition) on a number of tracks in Logic Pro 8, for no apparent reason, I am getting loads of pops, clicks, etc. when recording. If I record a guitar part without it then put it on the track with GR3 on, the clicks, etc. don't appear - only when I record using GR3. There are not loads of tracks playing, around 8.
I have a Metric Halo Mobile I/O ULN-2 and have the Rig Kontrol connected simply by USB and use the MH as the soundcard.
Does anybody have any idea how to get round this? GR3 sounds so much better than Guitar Amp Pro (for what I want) but I can't really use it
Oh, I record in 24-bit, 44.1Khz. 128 buffer size (although tried at a number of settings to fix this). Software monitoring. Medium process buffer range. Not sure if anything else might help identify the problem!
Any help welcome!
Steve
www.stevemccormick.co.uk
Message was edited by: greenfeld69

I would start by trying the i/o 2 with garageband in another user account to find out if it's a local or global problem.
Then with the alesis plugged in make sure that all your settings in the audio/midi setup utility are correct for the device.
A class compliant device means if they build the interface to a agreed upon spec it will be recognized and be able to use the apple driver (core audio). It did work because you were able to use it and change it's function when making it part of aggregate device.

Using Guitar Rig 5 in MainStage

Hello all!
I'm just getting started with MainStage, and so far quite liking the possibilities.
However, I've hit one thing which seems to be an issue for me, assuming I've understood it correctly. Each patch seems to have it's own channel strips, with it's own AU instruments etc... which to me seems a bad idea. Surely in this state, I will end up having hundreds of AUs running for the same software, which would slow things down?
On top of that, I'm running keyboard, guitar and vocal through Mainstage. All for me, as I switch what I'm doing depending on the song we're performing (and sometimes mid-song). However, this means I may sometimes want to change a guitar patch while keeping my keyboard the same, or vice versa.
So, to my question; is there a way to change AU presets without changing MainStage patch? I mainly need to do this with Guitar Rig 5 from NI, but I'd also quite like to do it with Massive and Reaktor too.
Not quite sure I've worded that very well, so an example:
I have a MainStage layout set up, which has my vocal going through clean with maybe some EQ etc. I've also got a guitar running through Guitar Rig 5, and my keyboard into Massive. During a song, I start off on keys playing Fat Bass 1 on my keys in Massive for the intro, switch to a distortion for the verse with my guitar, then Fat Bass 2 for the chorus in Massive. Maybe later I'll want a clean guitar in a bridge or something too, with some string hits thrown in from Massive again.
The way MainStage is set out currently, I'd need a patch for each combination, which would leave me with at least 3 "patches" for one song and three instances each of Massive and GR running. I'd much prefer to just send in a control message to change the presets in Massive and Guitar Rig.
Running on a 2014 15" MacBook Pro, 2.2GHz i7/16GB RAM/256GB SSD.
Thanks

I haven't been able to find a way to get it to work with Guitar Rig yet, but for Massive (and presumably Reaktor) I have found a solution. First, create an instance in MainStage, load it with Massive and load the presets you would like to use into Massive's preset bank. Turn it on so that it will respond to patch changes.
Navigate to the 'Assignments & Mappings' tab of the edit page. Find the device you want to use to send the MIDI CC messages. If it isn't in the list, click on 'New Assignment', which usually creates an Unmapped assignment in the 'All Devices' list. Click the area where it says No Assignment to bring up the Hardware Input popup menu. Choose your device, assign channel to 1-16, and change Type to absolute. From the number menu, choose the CC number you want to send the patch change. Set MIDI thru to Automatic. Name the input to something like CC to PG01.
Click on it to highlight the mapping info. In the far left side of the Control Inspector, you'll see a list of items such as Same as Input, Block, etc. You will also see the name of the instance containing Massive. Select it to bring up a list of control parameters, such as Volume, Mute, etc. From the list, choose MIDI Controller. The third item down in that menu is Program Change. Select it.
You'll see the Parameter values for Program Change. For saved value, select the Program Change number you want to send. Number scheme is 0-127. Now, here's the tricky part that nearly drove me mad before figuring it out. For NI instruments, one of the Range Max or Min numbers must be set to zero and the other to a non zero number. If you want to select PG 0, set saved value as 0, range max as 1 and range min at 0. For any other patch number, set saved value and range max to the same number and set range min to 0.
Also, make sure that the device thats sending your CC control message is configured as a toggle switch, not a momentary, or else it will send the range min program change number when you lift your foot or finger from the button. If you want to send multiple patch changes, add more mappings and assign different CC numbers to select the patch number you desire.
An additional benefit is that you can load up a single instance of Massive with as many presets as it can hold and use aliases of that instance for other songs. In this case you would create a new MainStage patch and populate it with an alias of your Massive instance. Set up a separate hardware input (I use logic remote) and rather than setting the number to a CC controller, set it to Any. By entering the same NI mapping parameters as above, it will send the correct PG info to Massive when you select the MainStage patch containing the alias. If you need to select multiple Massive patches from the new MainStage patch, simply assign the CC controllers to select new patch assignments. All that info is freely assignable and saved on a per MainStage patch basis, so your first instance could select the patch (say 0) and use three CC controllers to set patches 1-3. On the next MainStage patch containing the Massive alias, you could set the PG to select patch 4 and those same controllers can be set to select patches 5-7.

How do I change Guitar rig patches when it is a plug in in main stage

I'm using Guitar Rig (v.3.2.1) inside Mainstage (v.1.0.2). I'm trying to use a midi foot controller (Yamaha MFC10) to change the patches. Pressing the Yamaha foot pedal sends program change information into main stage, but it changes the patches at the top level of main stage. Also, main stage responds to program change on all midi channels and I don't see a way to limit it to just one. What I'm hoping to do is have the MainStage patches respond to one midi channel, and the Guitar rig patches respond to another. Can this be done??

Hey Burr,
Okay, I was able to get Mainstage 1 and Guitar Rig 3 talking okay. I'll outline here how I got the two to talk but I probably need a bit more info to address your exact need(s). I've also re-read your posts and I'll take a stab at what I think you might need to do to get set up a little better. The caveat here is that I'm not 100% clear on what you want to do, so apologies if I make assumptions that are a little off
Since it sounds like you want to do MIDI patches and Guitar Rig patches and you're trying to separate the two, then let's look at that, we can always look at combined patches later.
So what it kinda sounds like, is that you're thinking about Guitar Rig at the concert level, the best thing is for you to think about Guitar Rig at the patch level. What that allows you to do is to create two different sets within the concert, one for your MIDI patches, and the other for Guitar Rig patches.
That way, you can navigate to whatever you want (MIDI patch or Guitar Rig patch) and not worry about the MIDI channel separation issue. When you were saying the Yamaha MFC10 was sending program changes for patches at the top level, instead, what you want to think about is using CC's (not PC's) for set and patch navigation and PC's only for direct access to a specific patch.
So, first program your MFC10 to send 4 different CC's for Mainstage navigation (Set Up, Set Down, Patch Up, Patch Down) e.g. you could use switches 7,8,9,0. Then go into Mainstage at the layout level and map the Set Up, Down and Patch Up, Down icon/switches using the MIDI Learn function. Go into Edit mode and test the navigation.
Next, create two different sets MIDI and Guitar Rig.
Then create your MIDI patches in the MIDI set as you normally would.
Create your Guitar Rig patches within the Guitar Rig set. Create separate Guitar Rig patches using the MFX stereo version of the AU plug in for GR. When the Guitar Rig plug-in window opens, select/edit the patch within Guitar Rig that you want to use. That specific Guitar Rig patch will now be saved in your Mainstage patch. Set up a separate Mainstage patch using a Guitar Rig patch for each of your different patches/songs.
Now you can go into perform/full screen mode to navigate to each set or patch using switches 7,8,9,0 (if that's what you used) of your MFC10 and that will call up you patch.
Additionally, if you want to call up a specific patch from MFC10, then program one of your MFC10 switches to send a specific Program Change. Then click on the patch in Mainstage, the Patch Inspector window will open up - now assign that same Program Change number there. Your MFC10 will now call up that specific patch when you press on the switch.
Now, the next thing is...if you then want to modify or express something WITHIN a Guitar Rig patch. Then you first have to program your MFC10 to set up/send let's say...5 different CC's so let's use 1-5 of your MFC10. We might want to turn on/off different effects for example, or boost a gain, or whatever. In this example, we'll choose turning an effect on/off.
So program your MFC10, then go into layout mode in Mainstage and assign the stompbox on/off switch by clicking on it, using MIDI Learn, and then pressing your footswitch to learn the CC.
Go into Edit mode, select your Mainstage Guitar Rig patch, then click the stomp button(s) you just programmed. The parameter mapping section then opens up at the bottom. Choose your Mainstage patch name (appears right under "Parameter Mapping".
Then the next column (to the right) populates, choose "Guitar Rig 3 MFX", the next column then populates with all the Guitar Rig 3 parameters, select whichever GR3 item you want to control and do the parameter mapping. In my test I chose Skreemer On/Off because I mapped my FCB1010 and Mainstage Stompbox to switch that effect.
Anyway, if everything was done ok then when you press switch 1 on your MFC10 it will turn the effect in Guitar Rig 3 on and off through Mainstage.
So now knowing all that, you should be able to map Mainstage and GR to do what you want by just using the same principles.
Sorry for the long explanation but it's the only way to give you the details...I hope I got what you wanted to do after all that...phew
Give it a go and let me know if you have any questions.
J.

Logic Pro can't find Guitar Rig 5

I just downloaded Guitar Rig 5 Pro, and I have activated it. But I can't seem to find it in Logic Pro. It's not under I/O and AU instruments. I have Kontakt 5 and Reaktor 5, but Guitar Rig is not there. Doesn't Guitar Rig have any library and sounds?
I only bought Guitar Rig to get different types of guitar sounds.
Guitar Rig is in the correct folder, named .components. When I try to rescan Guitar Rig is listed as Guitar Rig 5 FX and Guitar Rig 5 MFX. Still can't find Guitar Rig in Logic Pro.
I'm able to open Guitar Rig 5 as a stand alone, but not able to play any sounds. I don't play guitar, I only have a MIDI-keyboard.
Have Logic Pro 9.

No.. GR5 is a Guitar Amp emulator... You can take an electric guitar instrument like those found in Logic Pro's instrument plugins.. and then put GR5 in an effect slot and select various different effect presets to create the sound of different guitar sounds.. like Heavy Metal or Blues guitars.. or emulations of sounds from famous guitar solos....
You still have to play your keyboard to 'play' the guitar but with careful practise you can get pretty authentic sounding guitars to add to your songs....
I made a quick demo a while ago using some of the guitar instrument presets in LPX along with the effects created in GR5
https://soundcloud.com/the-art-of-sound-1/heartbeat
It should give you an idea of what is possible, if nothing else...

Maverick - Logic X - Guitar Rig 5- can't find .ngrr files

Hi there,
can someone tell me where the .ngrr files are located in a mac ?
I searched everywhere but I still not find them so I'm not able to add more press..
I use a MacBookPro 2.66 GHz, I7, 8 GB , with Maverick (10.9.1) , Logic X (10.0.4) and Guitar Rig 5 (5.1.0) as a plug (AU) obviously in Logic X .
I've already search in the following directory but I didn't find out nothing ...
I've also searched with spootlight..nothing...
~/Library/Audio/Presets/Native Instruments/GuitarRig 5 /Sounds
~/Library/Application Support/Native Instruments/ GuitarRig5
/Library/Audio/Presets/Native Instruments/GuitarRig 5 /Sounds
/Library/Application Support/Native Instruments/ GuitarRig5
~/Documents/Native Instruments/Guitar Rig 5/Presets
Thanks!
Giorgio
MacBookPro 2.66 GHz, core i7, 8 GB Ram, OS Maverick 10.9.1
Logic X 10.0.4
Guitar Rig 5 - 5.1.0

<System drive>/Library/Application Support/Native Instruments/Guitar Rig 5/Sounds/
Note: This is the System Library and not the User Library and is found in the root of your System Drive...
If you cannot find them manually, use Find Any File to locate them
http://apps.tempel.org/FindAnyFile/
and search for ngrr

FYI: NI Releases Guitar Rig 2 Software Edition

(No affiliation, don't use, etc)
GUITAR RIG 2 SOFTWARE EDITION now available!
The multi-award winning GUITAR RIG 2 SOFTWARE EDITION is now available at authorised dealers and in the NI Online Shop. Without the RIG KONTROL hardware but with the full function range, GUITAR RIG 2 SOFTWARE EDITION is perfect for producers and sound designers. Containing the GUITAR RIG 2.2 update, this version is also Intel Mac compatible as well as including new
features and improved graphics.
Creating authentic guitar and bass sounds in the studio has never been more affordable. GUITAR RIG 2 Software Edition supplies an enormous selection of perfectly emulated amps, cabinets, mics and effects in a single exceptional package. Honoured by the international industry press, GUITAR RIG has already received over 20 prestigious awards and is unmatched in its audio quality and versatility.
GUITAR RIG 2 Software Edition is identical to the original version in its range of functions, with the sole exception of the foot controller.
Guitar and bass sounds for the studio
GUITAR RIG 2 Software Edition will be available from the middle of November for the recommended retail price of €299 / $339 at your local reseller or from the NI Online Shop.
http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=guitarrig2swe_us

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Guitar Rig and Third Party Controllers

For Guitar Rig users
I bought the Behringer FCB1010 MIDI foot controller to replace the limited Rig Kontrol. I have programmed it and it works great with Guitar Rig
I also run Guitar Rig as a plug-in in Garage Band and I can record real instrument tracks with Guitar Rig effects. However under this scenario the Guitar Rig software doesn't respond to the FCB's commands which doesn't allow me to use the expression medal or change any effects during the recording. The GarageBand MIDI indicator does flash when I step on the controller however the sound isn't getting over to Guitar Rig.
I'm very frustrated it over this. Can someone help?
Thanks
JG

I think your interpretation is correct. When you get GR you'll find that it has a Learn function so that you can pass to it whatever codes you want. I was actually able to setup several effects on/off parameters, switch GR presets within a bank, the two expression pedals.
When I run GR in GarageBand the GR plug in doesn't respond to any of the commands from the FCB.
Here is what NI's suppport person sent to me:
"the problem occurs due to a Garage Band limitaion which makes the send midi function nearly unusable.
If you plug in Guitar Rig FX on an audio track you cannot send midi to it. And If you use it as an audio instrument you could send midi to GR, but because Garage Band does not support a sidechain function of audio instruments, you cannot record audio. To record audio you need to use the FX version of GR (same as in Logic), but you cannot send midi to an FX in Garage Band.
This is defenitely a big limitation of this host sequencer. "

Guitar Rig and Projectmix help

Hello everyone! Would appreciate your help on this one:
I have a Guitar Rig 3 (Rig Kontrol Interface)
and an M-Audio Project Mix IO
I could not figure out how to Use GR3 as my IN and Projectmix as my OUT in Logic 7.2.3.
I believe this is an aggregate device thing. Can anybody help me with the steps i have to do to make this setup work? Thank you very much!
p.s.
Running Leopard 10.5.1

Well, I just responded to this in related thread - here is the reply:
Hmmm... I don't Batter but here's what you can with other NI AUs - adapted for your situation.
Open the .lso after Logic has been launched under Rosetta - the PPC AUs should load ( i.e. Battery 2 should load ok ).
Go to Battery 2, save your presets for all your songs.
Relaunch Logic, now native ( rosetta disabled ).
Create a new B3 instance - load the b2 preset in to the Battery 3.
That should cover most of the job.
Cheers,
J
P.S. Of course, work on copies of your work until the transfer has been verified.

Guitar Rig/ Rig Kontrol problems in Logic Studio

I have recently upgraded from Logic Pro 7 to Logic Studio. I never had any problems until the upgrade but now my Rig Kontrol 2 refuses to work claiming...
"The device 'RigKontrol2' could not be set up by the driver. This can be caused by bad USB connections or insufficient power on the bus."
I am using a USB direct from the back of the mac (and tried new leads) and have updated the drivers to the very latest version but nothing is working. I can still see Guitar Rig as an option amongst my inserts but as soon as I plug in the RigKontrol then ALL of my inserts blank out and no sound is output at all.
Any ideas anyone?
Many thanks Nick.

My only idea (and this comes from being an owner of Guitar Rig 2 w/ the Rig Kontrol for ALMOST two years now) is that the Rig Kontrol is a faulty piece of equipment. . . period. I regret purchasing it more than any purchase I've probably ever made. It was so faulty w/ Logic 7 and Pro Tools that I was like, screw this, and put it away in a closet and have never touched it since. The GT2 software is FANTASTIC. . . don't get my wrong, I love my Guitar Rig software, but the Rig Kontrol is a piece. NI's support for it is pretty poor too. It's probably just some kind of issue between Logic 8 and Rig Kontrol, however, try going into Audio/MIDI setup and getting it to recognize through there.
My advice would be to just ditch the Rig Kontrol.

Guitar Rig 3 and Mainstage

Am I missing something?
Guitar Rig 3, in its natural state, has good mapping between MIDI messages and control over parameters in the plugin, even though it's an "audio in, audio out" plugin in general. In my "other" DAW, I can create a MIDI track and assign it to the plugin, and easily get control over Guitar Rig's parameters with a footpedal.
I have yet to discover a way to do this in MainStage; I can't find a way to tell it to pass MIDI messages to the plugin. I get the choice of an audio track, or an instrument track.
Plugin Manager lists Guitar Rig 3 as a "MIDI-Controlled effects plugin," but that's as close as I've come to being able to get the pedal to talk to it.
Please tell me I've overlooked something obvious...
- donl

Guitar Rig works the same as any plugin. You first have to create and assign controls in layout mode. Then in edit mode, map the buttons you just created to the various parameters in Guitar Rig.

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