Dummy profit center when using plant abroad functionality

Dear all,
We are customizing plant abroad functionality for one customer. I have done that before for other customers but all other customers do have profit center on material master data and therefore no dummy profit center posting in the plant abroad flow.
My new customer do not have any profit center on material master data and are normally using profit center substitutions to get correct profit center on the postings. In the plant abroad flow we will have the same amount posted both as a credit and a debet to the same account (we have chosen account 309999) so the total will be 0, but we do not want to have postings on dummy profit center.
I tested to create a substituion in financial accounting in transaction GGB1 and on line item level, with prerequisite saying: When account number is 309999, profit center should be 11010. But I still get posting on dumy profit center?
Anyone that can help me?
Thank you very much in advance!
Regards, Åsa

Hi
Use Exit PCA0001 - EXIT_SAPLPCRW_002 (SMOD) for substituting PC on any line item
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