DV PAL to Uncompressed 10 Bit

Hi,
I have a 23 minute DV-PAL timeline. This is the final timeline which includes color correction, filters and the works. I need to upgrade this to uncompressed 10 bit. I have tried using the media manager to create an offline sequence which can be regrabbed, however this was quite problematic as a lot of clips had to be captured manually because they didnt become independent clips for some reason.
Would exporting XML be a probable answer? Or will it ask me to capture the rushes instead of just the clip?

The compression that occurs with DV happens on the tape. When you capture it via firewire you aren't adding any further compression...you are just transferring data. Capturing DV at 10-bit doesn't get rid of this compression at all. All it does is help the footage when you start color correcting and adding filters by getting it into a less loss compression and better color space.
Whether you do that via recapture, or render doesn't matter. And doing it with a render allows you to avoid the media manager and any possible relinking issues one finds in using it.
Shane

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help help help please
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