DVCPRO HD 1080i 24p question

I know FCP does not support DVCPRO HD 1080 24p yet.
But I have played with Cinema Tools. I used the Nattress Cadance plug-in and was able to make a 24p file. It plays the right time in QuickTime but when I bring it into AE it is re-sized to 640x360. Not of much use. I have read the Cinema Tools docs front to back and have been searching for hours with no answers. We are shooting with HVX200 and need to supply a 1920x1080 24p file. Thanks
Mike Schrengohst
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This thread on DVXuser might help you:
www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=55065
about half-way down, a workflow is suggested. The resize to 360 pix appears to be only for the QT proxies.
best of luck

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