DVD Studio Pro Dual Layer Break Point Problem

I have a problem with a disc that I am burning. It is a dual layer (the break point is not set to seamless) with 1 movie that is about 3.6 GB and 1hr 23 min long, a 30 min slideshow, another 30 min extra and five other extras that total to about 20 min. I put the dual layer break point at the beginning of the slideshow, everything played fine on the computer, but on the Panasonic DVD player it just freezes at 35 seconds into the slideshow. Its never had a problem with DLs before. Itried the DVD on my softmodded Wii, on a program for it called WiiMC (it uses Mplayer) and everything played fine. I tried another burn where i set the break point to fifteen minutes before the end on the main 1:23 movie and on the DVD player it still froze at 35 seconds on the slideshow. Is there anything that you guys can suggest to help?

DVD+R or DVD-R?
http://documentation.apple.com/en/dvdstudiopro/usermanual/index.html#chapter=1%2 6section=9%26tasks=true
DVD+R Double-Layer
You can use DVD+R double-layer media, often referred to as DVD+R DL, for burning your dual-layer projects. With DVD+R double-layer media, DVD Studio Pro places the layer break point and sets the switch point to be nonseamless as specified in your project.
DVD+R double-layer discs require you to use the Opposite Track Path (OTP) direction setting when burning the disc. This means that the first layer must be larger than the second layer. See Setting the Dual-Layer Direction for more information.
While DVD+R double-layer discs allow you to burn your dual-layer projects, they tend to have more compatibility issues than the other types of DVD media.
DVD-R Dual-Layer
If your system contains a DVD drive that can write to the new DVD-R dual-layer media, you can burn your DVD project to it with DVD Studio Pro. However, there are several issues:
Because currently DVD Studio Pro has no way to identify DVD-R dual-layer media as having two layers, burning a dual-layer project to it results in the appearance of an alert message telling you that the DVD media may have insufficient room to hold the project. This message is based on the assumption that the disc is single layer. Both layers of the disc will be written to as needed, however, when you click Continue.
If you are burning a dual-layer project, the break point you set will not affect where the layer break actually occurs. Instead, the first layer is written to until filled, at which point the drive switches to writing to the second layer.
The switch between layers is a seamless layer change not supported by some DVD players, which may stop playing the disc when the switch point is reached.
Important: Do not use DVD-R dual-layer media unless these issues do not impact your project.

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Dual Layer Break Point problem

Hi,
I just found out after I updated DSP 4 to version 4.0.3 my Layer 1 on every project since updating gets corrupted!
I thought it was the Dual Layer discs I used that caused the problem, but after I re-installed DVD Studio to the original version 4.0.0 the same project worked perfect.
Anyone else have issues with Dual Layer Break Point after updating to 4.0.3?
I have tried different chapters as layerbreak points on my project, and even a test project, with the same result. The finished discs is barely playable on some DVD players, showing wierd interference and noise, and DVD Player on mac crashes when reaching the dual layer break point, and the plant i send the master have a software to check DVDs and they said that it couldnt find/was corrupt Layer 1 on one of my discs. Hope someone can fix this, DSP is the best software otherwise!
Best regards,
Mats.

DVD+R or DVD-R?
http://documentation.apple.com/en/dvdstudiopro/usermanual/index.html#chapter=1%2 6section=9%26tasks=true
DVD+R Double-Layer
You can use DVD+R double-layer media, often referred to as DVD+R DL, for burning your dual-layer projects. With DVD+R double-layer media, DVD Studio Pro places the layer break point and sets the switch point to be nonseamless as specified in your project.
DVD+R double-layer discs require you to use the Opposite Track Path (OTP) direction setting when burning the disc. This means that the first layer must be larger than the second layer. See Setting the Dual-Layer Direction for more information.
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If your system contains a DVD drive that can write to the new DVD-R dual-layer media, you can burn your DVD project to it with DVD Studio Pro. However, there are several issues:
Because currently DVD Studio Pro has no way to identify DVD-R dual-layer media as having two layers, burning a dual-layer project to it results in the appearance of an alert message telling you that the DVD media may have insufficient room to hold the project. This message is based on the assumption that the disc is single layer. Both layers of the disc will be written to as needed, however, when you click Continue.
If you are burning a dual-layer project, the break point you set will not affect where the layer break actually occurs. Instead, the first layer is written to until filled, at which point the drive switches to writing to the second layer.
The switch between layers is a seamless layer change not supported by some DVD players, which may stop playing the disc when the switch point is reached.
Important: Do not use DVD-R dual-layer media unless these issues do not impact your project.

"Dual Layer Break Point" drop down window is greyed out

Hi All,
I have a 6.8 GB project ready to be burned to disc. The Build went fine but when I try to format, I chose Format > Disc Volume > Red Laser > Dual > OTP> Dual Layer Break Point > TRack 1 and then all the 10 chapter choices that I have to choose from are grayed out. I can't make a choice to place my break.
I wouldn't think that selecting automatic would work if DVD Studio Pro has grayed out all the choices. Now, I don't know even if I try using the long method would work.
Even still, I would like to know why this happened. This has never happened before over a 3 year period.
I am using Memorex DVD+R DL discs (worked fine in the past).
Any remedies?

Some background -
There has to be a break point where it crosses over from Layer 0 to Layer 1, if you have no Chapter Markers at all (or a limited number of Markers, none of which fall near the point which is a bit more than half the size of the assets you will get an error that a Layer is the wrong size or all markers will be greyed)
What you do is
1.) Set up markers in the areas where your would guesstimate the Layer Break(s) should be
2.) Build the project (but not format)
3.) Format a Disc (in the dialog that comes up, click on advanced tab, then where it says break point, use the pulldown which will have all valid breakpoint markers dark/black, while non-valid Layer Break Markers will be faded) If no marker is black there is no marker in the right place, regardless of you use automatic or not. You will need to insert more markers, and guesstimate again.
4.) If the layer break(s) are not where you would like them (in other words a place where they may be more noticable) use VTS view to re-order then go back to step 1.
When you do enough DLs, you start getting a sense based on the size of tracks where things should land

Dual Layer Break Point?

So, I found the perfect dual layer break point in my project. I have a 3 hour 58 minute video to put on DVD and set the layer break point at 2 hours 2 minutes. However, when I went to format the disc, it told me that layer 0 was too large.
When using the automatic setting, it told me the same thing.
What is the key to setting a layer break point?

Hi Graiai,
The basic rule is to ensure that layer 0 is larger than layer 1. And obviously to set it at a point where it's not very noticable (especially for those naughty players which take a moment to refocus and have non exitent buffers).
But there are also strict guidlines as to the positioning of the point and also how much larger the second layer is. Jim Taylor's DVD Demystified is a good place to start if you are thinking of doing some serious authoring.
TO overcome your particular problem you need to find another appropriate point closer to the head of the track. I use DVDAfterEdit which takes all the guess work out for this. But for you at this stage it will be a bit of trial and error until you can get a build done.
Let me know if you need more help.

Dual-layer break point is not cooperating!

I have authored a dual layer disk. I have tagged chapter 18 as the dual-layer break point. In the project chapter 18 is clearly tagged properly, including the little black dot appearing in the proper place on the timeline. But after the disk is burned, which I am having to do using Toast and and external burner, the dual-layer break point is happening on chapter 19. Does anyone know why this would be happening. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

As a follow-up to Jake's answer, the reason Toast does its own thing with respect to the dual layer break point is because the .img file that DVDSP saves does not contain any break point information. So, you'd have the same problem with any burning program, not just Toast.
This is on p. 584 of the DVDSP 4.1 manual, if anyone's interested.

Dual Layer Break Point Q

If I allow DVDSP to automatically set the Dual Layer break Point, is it possible for me ti find where it placed it?
It would probably be pretty obvious in the average project but I am working with a project with about 40 video assets and is very interactive so it jumps around all over the place.

After you build the project and then go to format for DVD-R etc you will see the setting for DL break point (it is set to automatic), but you can then click to see acceptable DL break points (markers).
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Dual Layer Break Points

Ideally, I would like to create my own break point. Using the OTP method, I know that I need to have the 1st layer larger than the second. Can I simply choose a break just over the 1/2 way in my Movie? ie. 1hr32 long for the first layer, 1hr28 long for the second...or does it have to be close to the 3.9Gig mark before changing layers? My break point of choice happens to be the only place that I have a fade to black, that's why it makes it ideal.
I also have several Chapter Markers in the Movie (that don't fade to black)..so if I choose the Auto Break Point option, I don't know how find where the program has chosen to break it at. I want to view before I burn..or atleast know where it is. Is this info in the Build folder somewhere?
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when you click on any chapter marker, the property inspector allows you to assign it as a dual layer break point. layer 0 must be larger than layer 1. Also you can place a marker and in the property inspect uncheck chapter marker and check dual layer break point.

Dual layer break point not working with 4.1

Hi, I recently made a dual layered dvd in DVD SP 4.03. I set it to automatic, and OTP and unchecked the "seamless". All was well, I burned a couple DVDs no problem. Then, I got in the mail FinalCut Studio upgrade which upgrades DVDSP to 4.1. So I upgraded and then ran software update to get to 4.1.1.
Now, the same project won't burn because it reports an error due to the break point, even when I set it manually, it won't work.
Any thoughts?
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A dialog box pops up and says "Formatting was not successful. A suitable marker could not be found in the required layer break range. See the DVDSP User's manual for more info."
The log says the following "Compile Completed Successfully
Warning: The file ‘BSGDISKTWO.layout’ found in the VIDEO_TS or HVDVD_TS folder will not be included in the final disc.
Warning: The file ‘VOB_DATA.LAY’ found in the VIDEO_TS or HVDVD_TS folder will not be included in the final disc.
Formatting finished.
Formatting was not successful. A suitable marker could not be found in the required layer break range. See the DVD Studio Pro User's Manual for more information."

Will dvd studio pro solve my disc playback problems?

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Need more details. Do they freeze and stutter or not do anything at all in these players?
If they freeze and stutter, are you sticking on labels? If so, this is most likely your problems. If they do nothing at all it could be a number of issues such as: bad drive, cheap media, etc.
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Not as you think.
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Dual Layer break point - multiple videos

I have 4 videos to go one the DVD, comes to 8.5 GB in total.
1. 45mins
2. 1hr 15mins
3. 40 mins
4. 35 mins
How do I know which video to put the break point on and at what time.
I've been using trial and error for the last couple of days now and error keeps winning.
All I keep getting are various Error messages, this is my most recent
+Formatting was not successful. Layer 1 exceeds the maximum layer size allowed. Please choose a suitable marker location that will support this condition.+
Thanks in advance
John E
Message was edited by: John England

It could be that you have exceeded the disc size, but assuming you haven't there has to be a break point where it crosses over from Layer 0 to Layer 1, if you have no Chapter Markers at all (or a limited number of Markers, none of which fall near the point which is a bit more than half the size of the assets you will get an error that a Layer is the wrong size.
What you do is
1.) Set up markers in the areas where your would guesstimate the Layer Break(s) should be. (You can build the project and use VTS view to see where about halfway plus a bit is located and make sure to put a few markers in the track in that VTS. Take a look [here|http://dvdstepbystep.com/vts.php] for looking at VTS and builds to see a bit more on that.)
2.) Build the project (but not format)
3.) Format a Disc (in the dialog that comes up, click on advanced tab, then where it says break point, use the pulldown which will have all valid breakpoint markers dark/black, while non-valid Layer Break Markers will be faded) If no marker is black there is no marker in the right place, regardless of you use automatic or not.
4.) If the layer break(s) are not where you would like them (in other words a place where they may be more noticable) use VTS view to re-order then go back to step 1.
If you have not made audio AC3, you should encode to AC3.

HELP!!! layer 0 exceeds the maximum layer size allowed (DVD STUDIO PRO)

when I try to burn a dual dvd with 7.1 gb on it. The discs are 8.5gb dual dvd's, it says this in the error box.
Formatting was not successful. Layer 0 exceeds the maximum layer size allowed. Please choose a suitable marker location that will support this condition.
I have tried to dual layer break point on a chapter half way through and other locations, but it still says it. What do I do???? I need to get this done ASAP!!!!! Can you please help, its kinda a emegency!!!!!!
please email me back at [email protected]
Thanks so much
G5 Mac OS X (10.4.6)

Hey timeline
welcome to the apple boards...
ill give you the easy fix, although i would recommend the proper fix.
first, build your project on any of your drives so you can see your audio and video TS folders.
once you see your build, then click on "Format" and before you click on format (on the lower right hand corner of the Format window, click on the second tab and under "Layer Break" click the drop down box and whatever is NOT greyed out, can be used as a layer break.
the more proper way do it it would require you to do some calculations based on the amount of video in your project and re-encode your video.
hope that helps
Mikey M.

Multiple Burn on Mac Pro/DVD Studio Pro

I have been searching the internet and this forum. I have added a second optical drive to my Mac Pro. It is a Pioneer DVR-1810. Am I able to burn to DVD's at once in DVD STUDIO PRO?

No, you cannot burn more than one at a time within DVDSP.
But you can burn two at a time with Disk Utility. To do this, change the burner name in the DVDSP format dialog to "hard disk". It will then allow you to burn to a disk image on the hard drive. Then open up that disk image in Disk Utility. When you click Burn in Disk Utility, there is a popup menu in the dialog for which burner to use. After starting the first burn you can start a 2nd one and choose the 2nd burner in the popup list.
This works well for single layer DVDs. I haven't tried it with DL DVDs so I don't know what will happen with the dual layer break point.

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Is there any way to determine just where in the video track the sector that is designated by DVDSP as the layer break point (in the build info) exists??
EG
After the build I see "Layer break point at sector 3094512".
I would like to play the DVD and see just how well the transition works before making a bizzillion copies without having to stare at the whole video. If I can get within a few minutes that would be great.
Can I assume that the DVD starts playing at sector 0? If there is a formula then I guess I can find it.
EG
32.98 sectors per minute or something like that.?
Thanks

Look [here|http://dvdstepbystep.com/markers.mov] at the end you will see a box where there is a drop down (not active in that movie) that says Dual Layer Break Point. Proper break points if you pull down the selector (if it was active and it will be in your project) will be black, ones that cannot be used will be gray. DVD SP selects the first black one in automatic. You can change to any other one that is black. If the project is built, just go to format and you will see the dialog..

Layer break point without track

hi there,
i have a layer break problem on DSP4..
i have i project contain 804 menu, 0 track and a total size is 8.1GB
for the break point reason, i generate a dummy track , 10 second
black video and create a dual layer break point.
in the vts editor, i put this track on a middle of my structure,
build fine but format say "a suitable marker could not be found"
here's my vts structure... can anybody help about this... thanks
VTS 1 100 MENU 684 MB
VTS 2 60 MENU 738 MB
VTS 3 56 MENU 680 MB
VTS 4 56 MENU 595 MB
VTS 5 56 MENU 557 MB
VTS 6 48 MENU 550 MB
VTS 7 44 MENU 542 MB
VTS 8 DUMMY TRACK WITH LAYER BREAK
VTS 9 52 MENU 560 MB
VTS 10 52 MENU 554 MB
VTS 11 48 MENU 597 MB
VTS 12 48 MENU 462 MB
VTS 13 44 MENU 514 MB
VTS 14 44 MENU 508 MB
VTS 15 96 MENU 714 MB
first 7 vts 4.346 MB (4.3 GB)
last 7 vts 3.909 MB (3.8 GB)

Good God...804 menus must take years to open a project!
You're probably need to move some menus from 7 to 9...you're only 12 mb away from filling the disc. There are other files that need to be compiled too.
Message was edited by: Eric Pautsch1

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