Dvdauthor and NTSC widescreen woes [SOLVED]

I've been trying like crazy for days to get dvdauthor to behave. What I'm doing is authoring a video that is 720x480 NTSC widescreen. It plays fine in Mplayer and FFplay, as well as will play in DVD players. The trouble is that dvdauthor isn't fitting the video to the screen; It's making it huge and cropping the ends. The relevant line in the XML file is this:
<video format="ntsc" aspect="16:9" resolution="720x480" widescreen="nopanscan"> </video>
dvdauthor is showing the correct information upon completion:
INFO: Generating VTS with the following video attributes:
INFO: MPEG version: mpeg2
INFO: TV standard: ntsc
INFO: Aspect ratio: 16:9
INFO: Resolution: 720x480
INFO: Audio ch 0 format: ac3/6ch, 48khz drc
The nopanscan option is supposed to fit the video on screen, right?
By the way, all of the DVD authoring tools that I've tried suffer from the same problem. Not to mention that they all suck for various reasons (particularly devede) and I'd rather do it myself from the command line. Any ideas?
Last edited by skottish (2008-07-28 23:46:03)

Nevermind. It turns out the dvdauthor didn't like the video. When I stripped the secondary audio track from the file with FFmpeg, I used this command:
ffmpeg -map 0:0 -map 0:2 -i fountain.mpg -vcodec copy -acodec copy -g 12 -target dvd -aspect 16:9 THE_FOUNTAIN_01_01.vob
This doesn't creat a NTSC compliant file. This one works though. Notice that target changed to '-ntsc-dvd':
ffmpeg -map 0:0 -map 0:2 -i fountain.mpg -vcodec copy -acodec copy -g 12 -target ntsc-dvd -aspect 16:9 THE_FOUNTAIN_01_01.vob
Groovy.
Last edited by skottish (2008-07-28 23:45:47)

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