DVX-100B, PAL, 25fps, progressive

Does anyone know what the best settings for importing progressive footage from a DVX100B (25FPS, PAL) is? I imported everything in the standard DV-PAL setting but when I finally export the movie for the web (progressive) it seems that the whole clip looses quality – like de-interlacing interlaced material?!
Can anyone help me with that issue? Thanks in advance!
PowerBook G4, 1.25 GHz Mac OS X (10.4.9) Final Cut Studio 2

Hi:
Try exporting a small part of your timeline (just some seconds to compare with the other exports you did) directly from FCP through Export Using Compressor option, select the Web Download (Quicktime 7 compatible) H.264 800Kbps or H.264 LAN. Those presets use to give you very high quality.
Alberto

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This news to me as the camera is set to to PAL and I thought PAL is shot at 25 fps?
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not according to his film converter filter!
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