Dynamic webservice client for User-defined datatypes

Hi All,
I have a webservices with user-defined datat types. I want to write a dynamic client that will work even if there are any changes in the wsdl, so that I do not want to recompile the client or make any changes on the client side.
I tried using DII but we need to modify the custome objects and recompile the same. Suggest me any alternative.
Regards,
Sanjay

Rob, unfortunately not. If I ever come across the solution, I will post it here.
The reason I wanted to use weblogic webservices was to take advantage of the asynchronous webservice functionality. I ended up using xfire instead for my webservices, as we already had that in place in the application, and then using polling clients to get the response. Not an ideal solution, but it works very good anyway.
regards,
Marcus

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    about Apache
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    "WSIF allows stubless or completely dynamic invocation of a Web
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    >>>>>>
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    It
    also allows updated implementations of a binding to be plugged intoWSIF
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    This is a relatively new "unofficial" addition to the Web ServicesStack,
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    >>>>>>>
    QName operationName = newQName("urn:xmethods-delayed-quotes","getQuote");
    >>>>>>>
    URL wsdlLocation = newURL("http://services.xmethods.net/soap/urn:xmethods-delayed-quotes.wsdl");
    >>>>>>>
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    Service service = factory.createService(wsdlLocation, serviceName);
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    operationName);
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
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    Secondly ,is it even feasible to design a dynamic client in such
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    If anybody can share their insights on a dynamic webservice client
    I would really
    appreciate it...
    Thanx,
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