Early 2008 Mac Pro Very Long Startup Time

Hello I have a
2 X 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
10 Gigs of ram
Running os x 10.9.3
whenever I start the computer up it takes around 5 minutes to boot up ( just to get to the select user section of the login)
I have nothing in my cd drives, and do not have an external hard-drives on
let me know if there is an issue or if anyone else is experiencing similar issues.
This problem has been going on for about a month
Thanks
-Lee

Hi Linc,
Below please find the lists you requested below. I was unable to find any sort of crash,kernel or ,panic report in step 2.
If I provide too much information, I'm sorry :/
6/26/14 11:53:58.000 AM bootlog[0]: BOOT_TIME 1403798038 0
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM syslogd[20]: Configuration Notice:
ASL Module "com.apple.appstore" claims selected messages.
Those messages may not appear in standard system log files or in the ASL database.
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM syslogd[20]: Configuration Notice:
ASL Module "com.apple.authd" sharing output destination "/var/log/system.log" with ASL Module "com.apple.asl".
Output parameters from ASL Module "com.apple.asl" override any specified in ASL Module "com.apple.authd".
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM syslogd[20]: Configuration Notice:
ASL Module "com.apple.authd" claims selected messages.
Those messages may not appear in standard system log files or in the ASL database.
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM syslogd[20]: Configuration Notice:
ASL Module "com.apple.bookstore" claims selected messages.
Those messages may not appear in standard system log files or in the ASL database.
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM syslogd[20]: Configuration Notice:
ASL Module "com.apple.eventmonitor" claims selected messages.
Those messages may not appear in standard system log files or in the ASL database.
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM syslogd[20]: Configuration Notice:
ASL Module "com.apple.install" claims selected messages.
Those messages may not appear in standard system log files or in the ASL database.
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM syslogd[20]: Configuration Notice:
ASL Module "com.apple.iokit.power" claims selected messages.
Those messages may not appear in standard system log files or in the ASL database.
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM syslogd[20]: Configuration Notice:
ASL Module "com.apple.mail" claims selected messages.
Those messages may not appear in standard system log files or in the ASL database.
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM syslogd[20]: Configuration Notice:
ASL Module "com.apple.MessageTracer" claims selected messages.
Those messages may not appear in standard system log files or in the ASL database.
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM syslogd[20]: Configuration Notice:
ASL Module "com.apple.performance" claims selected messages.
Those messages may not appear in standard system log files or in the ASL database.
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM syslogd[20]: Configuration Notice:
ASL Module "com.apple.securityd" claims selected messages.
Those messages may not appear in standard system log files or in the ASL database.
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM syslogd[20]: Configuration Notice:
ASL Module "com.apple.securityd" claims selected messages.
Those messages may not appear in standard system log files or in the ASL database.
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM syslogd[20]: Configuration Notice:
ASL Module "com.apple.securityd" claims selected messages.
Those messages may not appear in standard system log files or in the ASL database.
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM syslogd[20]: Configuration Notice:
ASL Module "com.apple.securityd" claims selected messages.
Those messages may not appear in standard system log files or in the ASL database.
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM syslogd[20]: Configuration Notice:
ASL Module "com.apple.securityd" claims selected messages.
Those messages may not appear in standard system log files or in the ASL database.
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM syslogd[20]: Configuration Notice:
ASL Module "com.apple.securityd" claims selected messages.
Those messages may not appear in standard system log files or in the ASL database.
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM syslogd[20]: Configuration Notice:
ASL Module "com.apple.securityd" claims selected messages.
Those messages may not appear in standard system log files or in the ASL database.
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: Longterm timer threshold: 1000 ms
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: Darwin Kernel Version 13.2.0: Thu Apr 17 23:03:13 PDT 2014; root:xnu-2422.100.13~1/RELEASE_X86_64
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: vm_page_bootstrap: 2490038 free pages and 115018 wired pages
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: kext submap [0xffffff7f807a9000 - 0xffffff8000000000], kernel text [0xffffff8000200000 - 0xffffff80007a9000]
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: zone leak detection enabled
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: "vm_compressor_mode" is 4
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: standard timeslicing quantum is 10000 us
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: standard background quantum is 2500 us
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: mig_table_max_displ = 74
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: AppleACPICPU: ProcessorId=0 LocalApicId=0 Enabled
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: AppleACPICPU: ProcessorId=1 LocalApicId=1 Enabled
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: AppleACPICPU: ProcessorId=2 LocalApicId=2 Enabled
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: AppleACPICPU: ProcessorId=3 LocalApicId=3 Enabled
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: AppleACPICPU: ProcessorId=4 LocalApicId=5 Enabled
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: AppleACPICPU: ProcessorId=5 LocalApicId=4 Enabled
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: AppleACPICPU: ProcessorId=6 LocalApicId=6 Enabled
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: AppleACPICPU: ProcessorId=7 LocalApicId=7 Enabled
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: calling mpo_policy_init for TMSafetyNet
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: Security policy loaded: Safety net for Time Machine (TMSafetyNet)
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: calling mpo_policy_init for Sandbox
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: Security policy loaded: Seatbelt sandbox policy (Sandbox)
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: calling mpo_policy_init for Quarantine
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: Security policy loaded: Quarantine policy (Quarantine)
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: MAC Framework successfully initialized
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: using 16384 buffer headers and 10240 cluster IO buffer headers
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: AppleKeyStore starting (BUILT: Apr 17 2014 23:36:27)
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: IOAPIC: Version 0x20 Vectors 64:87
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: ACPI: sleep states S3 S4 S5
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: pci (build 23:24:05 Apr 17 2014), flags 0x63008, pfm64 (38 cpu) 0x3f80000000, 0x80000000
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement: (built 23:35:25 Apr 17 2014) initialization complete
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: [ PCI configuration begin ]
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: console relocated to 0x3f80060000
6/26/14 11:54:00.567 AM com.apple.launchd[1]: *** launchd[1] has started up. ***
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: [ PCI configuration end, bridges 15, devices 27 ]
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: USBF:    0.377    AppleUSBXHCI::CheckSleepCapability - controller will be unloaded across sleep
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: USBF:    0.378    AppleUSBXHCI::CheckSleepCapability - controller will be unloaded across sleep
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: mcache: 8 CPU(s), 64 bytes CPU cache line size
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: mbinit: done [96 MB total pool size, (64/32) split]
6/26/14 11:54:00.567 AM com.apple.launchd[1]: *** Shutdown logging is enabled. ***
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: Pthread support ABORTS when sync kernel primitives misused
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: rooting via boot-uuid from /chosen: 99BB2B53-0756-3D08-BFC4-1D1A158C60C4
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: Waiting on <dict ID="0"><key>IOProviderClass</key><string ID="1">IOResources</string><key>IOResourceMatch</key><string ID="2">boot-uuid-media</string></dict>
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: com.apple.AppleFSCompressionTypeZlib kmod start
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: com.apple.AppleFSCompressionTypeDataless kmod start
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: com.apple.AppleFSCompressionTypeZlib load succeeded
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: com.apple.AppleFSCompressionTypeDataless load succeeded
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: AppleIntelCPUPowerManagementClient: ready
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: FireWire runtime power conservation disabled. (2)
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: Got boot device = IOService:/AppleACPIPlatformExpert/PCI0@0/AppleACPIPCI/SATA@1F,2/AppleAHCI/PRT3 @3/IOAHCIDevice@0/AppleAHCIDiskDriver/IOAHCIBlockStorageDevice/IOBlockStorageDri ver/WDC WD5000AAKS-00TMA0 Media/IOGUIDPartitionScheme/Crap 2@2
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: BSD root: disk1s2, major 1, minor 6
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: FireWire (OHCI) TI ID 823f built-in now active, GUID 001ff3fffe6d4888; max speed s800.
6/26/14 11:57:23.000 AM kernel[0]: hfs: mounted Feet 1st 2 on device root_device
6/26/14 11:57:22.541 AM com.apple.SecurityServer[14]: Session 100000 created
6/26/14 11:57:35.313 AM hidd[49]: void __IOHIDPlugInLoadBundles(): Loaded 0 HID plugins
6/26/14 11:57:35.313 AM hidd[49]: Posting 'com.apple.iokit.hid.displayStatus' notifyState=1
6/26/14 11:57:35.366 AM fseventsd[50]: event logs in /.fseventsd out of sync with volume. destroying old logs. (4 217 38122)
6/26/14 11:57:35.000 AM kernel[0]: Waiting for DSMOS...
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: VM Swap Subsystem is ON
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: SMC::smcReadKeyAction ERROR: smcReadData8 failed for key $Num (kSMCKeyNotFound)
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: SMC::smcReadKeyAction ERROR $Num kSMCKeyNotFound(0x84) fKeyHashTable=0x0
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: SMC::smcReadKeyAction ERROR: smcReadData8 failed for key LsNM (kSMCKeyNotFound)
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: SMC::smcReadKeyAction ERROR LsNM kSMCKeyNotFound(0x84) fKeyHashTable=0x0
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: SMC::smcGetLightshowVers ERROR: smcReadKey LsNM failed (kSMCKeyNotFound)
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: SMC::smcPublishLightshowVersion ERROR: smcGetLightshowVers failed (kSMCKeyNotFound)
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: SMC::smcInitHelper ERROR: smcPublishLightshowVersion failed (kSMCKeyNotFound)
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: Previous Shutdown Cause: 5
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: SMC::smcInitHelper ERROR: MMIO regMap == NULL - fall back to old SMC mode
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: init
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: probe
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: start
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: [IOBluetoothHCIController][start] -- completed
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: NVDAStartup: Official
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: **** [IOBluetoothHostControllerUSBTransport][start] -- completed -- result = TRUE -- 0x9000 ****
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: **** [CSRBluetoothHostControllerUSBTransport][start] -- completed -- 0x9000 ****
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: [IOBluetoothHCIController][staticBluetoothHCIControllerTransportShowsUp] -- Received Bluetooth Controller register service notification -- 0x9000
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: NVDANV50HAL loaded and registered
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: USB Sound assertion in AppleUSBAudioDevice at line 286
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: [IOBluetoothHCIController::setConfigState] calling registerService
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: **** [IOBluetoothHCIController][protectedBluetoothHCIControllerTransportShowsUp] -- Connected to the transport successfully -- 0x6640 -- 0xb800 -- 0x9000 ****
6/26/14 11:57:38.715 AM fseventsd[50]: log dir: /.fseventsd getting new uuid: C38679A1-7F33-4587-82E9-9B610F86BF10
6/26/14 11:57:38.000 AM kernel[0]: DSMOS has arrived
6/26/14 11:57:38.755 AM kdc[47]: label: default
6/26/14 11:57:38.755 AM kdc[47]: dbname: od:/Local/Default
6/26/14 11:57:38.755 AM kdc[47]: mkey_file: /var/db/krb5kdc/m-key
6/26/14 11:57:38.755 AM kdc[47]: acl_file: /var/db/krb5kdc/kadmind.acl
6/26/14 11:57:38.921 AM com.apple.usbmuxd[26]: usbmuxd-327.4 on Feb 12 2014 at 14:54:33, running 64 bit
6/26/14 11:57:40.000 AM kernel[0]: Ethernet [Intel8254x]: Link up on en0, 100-Megabit, Full-duplex, Symmetric flow-control, Debug [792d,6f48,0de1,0e00,45e1,4000]
6/26/14 11:57:43.457 AM com.apple.SecurityServer[14]: Entering service
6/26/14 11:57:43.543 AM aosnotifyd[65]: assertion failed: 13D65: liblaunch.dylib + 25164 [38D1AB2C-A476-385F-8EA8-7AB604CA1F89]: 0x25
6/26/14 11:57:43.556 AM loginwindow[43]: Login Window Application Started
6/26/14 11:57:43.560 AM UserEventAgent[11]: Failed to copy info dictionary for bundle /System/Library/UserEventPlugins/alfUIplugin.plugin
6/26/14 11:57:43.591 AM digest-service[76]: label: default
6/26/14 11:57:43.592 AM digest-service[76]: dbname: od:/Local/Default
6/26/14 11:57:43.592 AM digest-service[76]: mkey_file: /var/db/krb5kdc/m-key
6/26/14 11:57:43.592 AM digest-service[76]: acl_file: /var/db/krb5kdc/kadmind.acl
6/26/14 11:57:43.594 AM digest-service[76]: digest-request: uid=0
6/26/14 11:57:43.599 AM mDNSResponder[40]: mDNSResponder mDNSResponder-522.90.2 (Nov 3 2013 18:51:09) starting OSXVers 13
6/26/14 11:57:43.612 AM awacsd[62]: Starting awacsd connectivity_executables-97 (Aug 24 2013 23:49:23)
6/26/14 11:57:43.617 AM awacsd[62]: InnerStore CopyAllZones: no info in Dynamic Store
6/26/14 11:57:43.634 AM digest-service[76]: digest-request: netr probe 0
6/26/14 11:57:43.635 AM digest-service[76]: digest-request: init request
6/26/14 11:57:43.644 AM digest-service[76]: digest-request: init return domain: BUILTIN server: LOCALHOST indomain was: <NULL>
6/26/14 11:57:43.000 AM kernel[0]: hfs: mounted 320 Bare on device disk0s2
6/26/14 11:57:44.464 AM apsd[64]: CGSLookupServerRootPort: Failed to look up the port for "com.apple.windowserver.active" (1102)
6/26/14 11:57:44.745 AM mdmclient[41]: ApplePushService: Timed out making blocking call, failed to perform call via XPC connection to 'com.apple.apsd'
6/26/14 11:57:44.000 AM kernel[0]: flow_divert_kctl_disconnect (0): disconnecting group 1
6/26/14 11:57:44.957 AM WindowServer[104]: Server is starting up
6/26/14 11:57:44.974 AM mds[39]: (Normal) FMW: FMW 0 0
6/26/14 11:57:45.388 AM stackshot[29]: Timed out waiting for IOKit to finish matching.
6/26/14 11:57:45.465 AM locationd[45]: NBB-Could not get UDID for stable refill timing, falling back on random
6/26/14 11:57:45.483 AM systemkeychain[101]: done file: /var/run/systemkeychaincheck.done
6/26/14 11:57:45.498 AM mDNSResponder[40]: D2D_IPC: Loaded
6/26/14 11:57:45.498 AM mDNSResponder[40]: D2DInitialize succeeded
6/26/14 11:57:45.501 AM mDNSResponder[40]: mDNSPlatformSetDNSConfig: Error: dns_configuration_copy returned NULL
6/26/14 11:57:45.502 AM mDNSResponder[40]: mDNSPlatformSetDNSConfig: Error: dns_configuration_copy returned NULL
6/26/14 11:57:45.503 AM mDNSResponder[40]:   4: Listening for incoming Unix Domain Socket client requests
6/26/14 11:57:45.503 AM mDNSResponder[40]: Adding registration domain 1429353224.members.btmm.icloud.com.
6/26/14 11:57:45.508 AM mDNSResponder[40]: mDNSPlatformSetDNSConfig: Error: dns_configuration_copy returned NULL
6/26/14 11:57:45.509 AM mDNSResponder[40]: mDNSPlatformSetDNSConfig: Error: dns_configuration_copy returned NULL
6/26/14 11:57:45.547 AM networkd[131]: networkd.131 built Aug 24 2013 22:08:46
6/26/14 11:57:45.572 AM awacsd[62]: Configuring lazy AWACS client: 1429353224.p13.members.btmm.icloud.com.
6/26/14 11:57:45.585 AM awacsd[62]: KV HTTP 0
6/26/14 11:57:45.592 AM kdc[47]: KDC started
6/26/14 11:57:45.633 AM locationd[45]: Location icon should now be in state 'Inactive'
6/26/14 11:57:45.000 AM kernel[0]: hfs: mounted Samples on device disk2s2
6/26/14 11:57:46.265 AM mDNSResponder[40]: mDNS_Register_internal: ERROR!! Tried to register AuthRecord 00007FC8FE807F60**ANONYMOUS*****Mac-Pro.local. (Addr) that's already in the list
6/26/14 11:57:46.265 AM mDNSResponder[40]: mDNS_Register_internal: ERROR!! Tried to register AuthRecord 00007FC8FE8083F0 1.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa. (PTR) that's already in the list
6/26/14 11:57:46.265 AM mDNSResponder[40]: mDNS_Register_internal: ERROR!! Tried to register AuthRecord 00007FC8FC002360 **ANONYMOUS*****Mac-Pro.local. (AAAA) that's already in the list
6/26/14 11:57:46.266 AM mDNSResponder[40]: mDNS_Register_internal: ERROR!! Tried to register AuthRecord 00007FC8FC0027F0 1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.8.E.F.ip6.arpa. (PTR) that's already in the list

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Also, try restore from last good restore point.

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There I go first mistake straight off. I was wondering how to fit my big long problem in. My fault I am sure but if anyone can help please.
Early 2008 Mac Pro Desk Top, 2 hard drives 1)snow leopard, 2)lion.
I have downloaded Mountain Lion usuing disk 1,selected no.2 as my destination, installed ok everything fine, set my startup as no.2 in preferences, switch off. Next day start up - nothing, my only way to get moving was physcally remove disk 2, and let snow leopard restart.
Reinstalled, everything fine, then same problem on restart next day, remove disk,and so on.
The mountain Lion installer remains in the snow leopard dock.
I know the problem is me, so if anyone is kind enough to be able to offer a solution it needs to be in easy speak (press button a, press button b) because I am not that savvy.
my best regards to all, and thank you.

Where did you get Mountain Lion? Did you download the 4+ GB file from the App Store? If so, then I would try doing the following:
Drive Partition and Format
1. Open Disk Utility in your Utilities folder.
2. After DU loads select your second drive on which Lion is installed (this is the entry with the mfgr.'s ID and size) from the left side list. Note the SMART status of the drive in DU's status area. If it does not say "Verified" then the drive is failing or has failed and will need replacing. SMART info will not be reported on external drives. Otherwise, click on the Partition tab in the DU main window.
3. Under the Volume Scheme heading set the number of partitions from the drop down menu to one. Click on the Options button, set the partition scheme to GUID then click on the OK button. Set the format type to Mac OS Extended (Journaled.) Click on the Partition button and wait until the process has completed.
Install Mountain Lion
Double-click on the Mountain Lion Installer application in your Applications folder. Follow instructions to install Mountain Lion on your old Lion drive - Drive 2. When the installer finally finishes it will restart the computer automatically from Drive 2. At this point there is no need to change the Startup Disk unless you want to boot from your Snow Leopard drive.
You will startup to the Setup Assistant in which you will configure your own admin account. You can, if you want, omit that part and instead choose to migrate your Home folder and other data from the Snow Leopard drive. I would recommend you do that unless you wish to do it manually at a later time. In this case create your new admin account using the exact same username and password that you now use on your Snow Leopard system.

Early 2008 Mac Pro frequently shut downs during start up, Help!

Hello all,
My early 2008 Mac Pro has gradually started having the following problems:
It will often shut down when it goes to sleep.
It has shut down randomly a few times.
And just today it shut down about 5-10 seconds after being turned on. It took about 6 tries before I could get it to turn on.
I have tried all of theusual software remedies (disk utility, different startup drives, resetting the SMC, PRAM, etc.)
I have run apple hardware test on loop for several hours with no errors appearing...
The computer also often loads up to a circle with with a slash through the middle sign, though I am not sure if this is related (it started happening when it switched my system over to a SSD).
I am wondering if this is simply a slowly sying PSU and if replacing it might help? If there any way of monitoring this perhaps? I somehow thought that if it was the PSU then it would simply die completely rather than fade like this...
Any ideas much appreciated!

There are multiple threads and reports of issues with Icy Dock - there is one on Amazon that lines up properly.
The drive sled length of 2009-2012 Mac Pro are longer. Maybe OWC needs to be clearer.
You'e right half-way and maybe some corrupt plist or interferring process you have, or even another hardware item or cable - external - even printer drivers or something that refuses or does not like sleep. Controller card?
All around I'd have to vote for Samsung 830 model. Then Intel 520. Crucial is out with x4 now (Or is it "V"?)
SSD firmware continues to be trouble. Even May-June the SandForce firmware had major issue and reason to hold off any using theirs. Reason to see if yours needed to be updated. Someone last week with m4 found they had old firmware and needed to update it.

Early 2008 Mac Pro + ATI Radeon HD 4870 = Not working

Just took delivery of my new HD 4870 video card today. I installed it in my Early 2008 Mac Pro and booted up. I got a picture no problem on one monitor, but nothing on the other. Furthermore, the display perfpane was missing a lot of controls, like Arrangement and Detect Displays and whatnot.
I did a bunch of rebooting and swapping of cables, and determined that both the mini-display port and the standard DVI connection will drive a monitor. However, if both are plugged in, the only active display is the one plugged into the mini-display port, and there's no option to setup the secondary display.
So I booted into bootcamp, and it automatically recognized both display ports, and mirrored my desktop on both monitors. I downloaded and installed the latest windows drivers, rebooted the machine into windows once more, and was able to configure a multiple monitor display with no problem.
This tells me it's not the card and it's not the motherboard.
Booting back into mac OS, I discovered that it doesn't even recognize that the card has video ram. It thought I had no video ram in the system.
So, this all leads me to the conclusion that Apple shipped me a card that it has not yet provided driver support for.
Hey Apple, can I have my 4870 display driver now?

Hi again,
It was funny to read all your answers on my iPhone while away from my computer. I could have reply on the iPhone but I preferred to wait to give you all the procedure I used to install the beta driver successfully this morning.
To start, I found this link:
http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=155477
and followed the "4870 INSTRUCTIONS", starting like suggested by doing the "First, follow the 4850 INSTRUCTIONS above"... (See the link)
I would like also to specify that I did this without having installed the card physically yet. So I kept my HD 2600 in the computer, followed all the steps excepted for the step 3:
3. Reboot with -f -v (kextcache/verbose mode)
There is no -f nor -v switches available for the reboot command at the shell prompt. I simply rebooted as usual "Pomme -> Redémarrer".
After the reboot, all my software was still working as expected with my HD 2600 card, meaning that these steps are specific and active only for the HD 4870 when it's detected at boot-up.
You may have to Google for the string "Kext" in order to get the application to install the file ATY_Motmot.kext. For your information, ATY_Motmot filename is the same string as the one found under "System Information ->PCI cards" under "Name".
I get:
ATI Radeon HD 4870:
Name: ATY, Motmot
The article is not clear regarding where to find the OpenGL.framework to backup before installing the downloaded one. I found mine under:
/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework
After having shutdown the computer, just after the reboot that proofed everything was ok, I removed the original HD 2600 card and put back the new HD 4870 and boot up...
Then I check the "System Information" and found both "Quartz Extreme" and "Core image" supported!
I launched Aperture, got it!
I launched Final Cut Express, got it!
I launched Starry Night Pro Plus, got it! Then I checked the OpenGL settings in Starry Night Pro PLus and activated both options:
Use shaders where available
Use AllSky shader (Not compatible with all hardware)
When I was doing these actions with my original HD 2600 card, the software was giving me a warning that my hardware did not support these options and that it could crash.
This time, with the HD 4870, it accepted my settings and give me back a very beautiful blue sky with much more shades!
So in conclusion, it works very smoothtly with my system and I am writing this with two monitors, having bought the MiniDP to DVI adapter this afternoon
I am happy!
P.S.: A girl from Apple support called me back this afternoon regarding my problem. She was very happy two when I told her that I did apply the beta driver and that it was working very well...
Good luck and best regards...

Early 2008 Mac Pro + nVidia 8800: Never going to work?

This forum is littered with threads about early 2008 Mac Pros with the nVidia 8800 card - none of them positive.
I was unfortunate enough to wait for Apple to release such a machine and buy it. Graphics performance is dire given the hardware available. The machine routinely crashes with the window manager hang problem (the user interface just locks up, yet network services etc. still work), in the way familiar to anyone blighted by this particular bug; just run the Folding@Home client on your machine if you want to experience the joy. Or screensavers, sometimes, so I've had to turn those off. And I've had to turn off monitor power saving too, because I too suffer from the 'monitors sometimes don't wake up' bug. And of course I can't sleep the machine either, because firmware upgrade or not, it's still not reliable. And after all this, still the machine crashes.
SSH to the machine; try to restart cleanly; even 'sudo reboot' won't restart it. Apple have achieved something I've never seen out of any Unix or Unix-like operating system, ever; the kernel is unable to kill its own processes.
There have been no indications from Apple that I've seen on these forums over several weeks that the problem is even being acknowledged, let alone tackled. Latest reports indicate that even the 1st gen Mac Pro owners are suffering if they install the 8800.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1460752&tstart=0
My machine rarely makes it through the day without a forced reboot due to the window manager hanging. I can't do any work on it. I can't rely on it. I can't enjoy it. I can't even use it for web browsing without fear of it hanging.
There seem to be no facts about this at all. So all I can ask for is opinions. Does anyone have any offering of hope that early 2008 Mac Pros might ever work properly with 8800 cards? Y'know, little things, like actually being able to handle graphics? Or sleeping the monitors? Or, heaven forbid, sleeping the whole machine? Or should I just send it back as unfit for purpose?
Yours, tired and exasperated... :-/

I posted this in some other blog (forum), I should have posted this here also but I hope this gives you and all with these problems hope!! I also ran some fish tank test some else posted to get the folding problem to happen and I can not get it to happen at all now, and since my 8800 went in I get NO LOCKUPS, SCREEN FREEZES, shaky blurry video when I boot, so far NOTHING, IT JUST WORKS!!!!!!!!
Now that I think about it the person who said to use the fish tank program had a bad 8800 and maybe you do also!! here is the link to that:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6965475&#6965475
I purchased my first mac pro early 08 2 months ago (amazon.com).
2 quad core 2.8's, 2 gig apple 4 gig OWC total 6 gig ram,2-WD raptors (1st mac 2nd boot camp winxp 32 bit), apple care.
I had all my problems with the ATI card (I always purchased ATI, never Nvidia, for all the PC's I built) a couple of times I bought the first ones out, these had all kinds of problems until good drivers that actually worked were released (usually 6-12 months after the release of the card).
So I try not to buy routers, graphic cards, etc.. for at least 6-12 months, but back to my 2600 card!!
When I received my mac the graphics would freeze, I did a lot of online reading only to find out the ATI 2600 was the problem, the cure was to hook up 2 monitors to the card (and that worked!!).
Then they came out with the firmware update, now my main monitor would after 2 days on a reboot be scambled (samsung syncmaster 213t, NEVER had ANY problem with it before on any PC I had, so I knew it was not the monitor) to fix the problem I had to either turn power off to the syncmaster or resetting PRAM (worked for a couple more days, then the same problem).
I called apple and they sent a tech out within days to replace the ATI card, the replacement did the same thing after a couple of days, so I called Apple back and they took a bunch of info from my computer (BTW not much at all loaded in the mac side) and said to call back in a week, so I called back a week later and they said they were going to exchange the card for either another ati 2600 or the Nvidia 8800, I said 8800 and a day later on a saturday I received it, swapped the card and NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS at all!!
So I don't know if the ATI card has problems with certain monitors or they are just poorly made (maybe AMD is mad with Apple that Apple did not use AMD processors).
I have read others that swapped with the 8800 and their problems went away also!!!!
Maybe some have no problems with the 2600, but I would not recommend it to anyone, if you can avoid the 2600 GO WITH THE 8800, the drivers will get better (and the 8800 will eventually outperform the ATI)and you will not be sorry.
Apple is awesome, they are 2nd to none, their is no other company like this anymore that I have dealt with in a long time (not just because they gave me a 8800), like I said in the beginning of this post I always purchased ATI cards and would have kept it if it would have worked but 2 doing the same, ATI [AMD] has lost my support until they prove otherwise.
I recommend Mac's to everyone now!!
good luck and let me know it any of this has helped!!!!!!!!!!

Will OSX support Adaptec PCI Express scsi cards in an early 2008 Mac Pro?

I need to move my scsi interface scanner from a G4 machine and the old PCI Adaptec AHA 2930 CU card won't fit. I was using Snow Leopard on the G4 unit - it still supported the Adaptec card and all was good. My 23" Cinema display then bit the dust and I replaced it with with a 24" Cinema display with the mini display port connector. I purchased an adapter from Kanex to make it compatible, but the adapter was defective - so I returned it. Their reviews aren't very good - seem to have a lot of D.O.A. adapters - not sure I want to deal with the frustration, but it would be the least expensive option.
I do have, however, an early 2008 Mac Pro that I can use, provided that it supports the newer PCI Express scsi cards that Adaptec makes. I'm not sure which one to get yet, either. I'd rather not buy one and find out it won't work. I can make a partition on the boot drive for Snow Leopard in case scsi isn't supported in later versions of OSX. In case you're wondering, I did use a scsi to firewire adapter to run the scanner on my laptop for a while - but it stopped working and I can't locate any replacements (or the company - 2nd Wave Technologies - for that matter). I haven't tried locating a scsi to usb adapter, but from what I can see, they are getting pretty scarce. I'd replace the scanner, but it is fairly pricey and the newest model retails at the price of a small car - so that really isn't an option at this point.
Thanks in advance for any info.
Message was edited by: Jakob Richardt
Changed name of display adapter manufacturer.

Thanks for the response - I guess the question I should have asked is "Will OSX support scsi cards in an early 2008 Mac Pro and if so, which ones?" I didn't realize Apple and Adaptec weren't working together - my G4 tower arrived with an Adaptec card in it when I bought it in 2000 (from a third party vendor, not directly from Apple). It came with either OS 8.* or OS 9. When I updated to OSX, everything continued working, so I didn't think much about it until I pondered using the Mac Pro for the scanner - at some point the G4 is going to stop working - need to have a solution before that happens. The manuals I've been reading refer to the slots in the G4 machines as PCI. The manual for the Mac Pro refers to the slots as PCI e. These slots have fewer connectors, so I thought that the "Express" part of the name referred to this particular card configuration when compared to the longer card connectors in the G4 type of machines.
Can you tell me what scsi card brands will work in the Mac Pro? I'd still like to pursue this option. As I mentioned in my original post, buying a new scanner isn't in the cards right now - it costs more than the computer, so, although pricey, the card option is still less expensive.
Thanks!

Early 2008 Mac Pro - worth bothering with?

Hi,
Someone in my building threw out an early 2008 Mac Pro with no hard drives.
I put in a spare that I have lying around and it seems ok -- but a bit slow. I'm now in the process of installing Mavericks on it.
I'm curious if this computer is worth bothering with? If so, what are some essential upgrades that would make this hum? I'm assuming an SSD? Should I bother finding extra ram for it (it has 4gb now).
What would be some good uses -- I already have an apple tv and a htpc in the living room.. I suppose I can use it in the bedroom? Can this be a functioning secondary computer for my wife who doesn't game but does use iPhoto/Word/Netflix etc? And if so what should I add?
Thanks everyone for your help!

alphaace wrote:
If my wife just watches netflix/browser/word etc --- no games -- but does do a heavy bit of photo editing -- should I upgrade the gpus?
And if so, what would everyone recommend?
Also, I need to buy some hard drive caddies (only one left in it) -- however, I need a converter to put in a ssd right (as they are 2.5")? Any recommendations on those?
I have been able to find Mac Pro drive caddies on eBay. Here's one that would get you a set of 4:http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-Mac-Pro-Hard-Drive-Sled-Caddy-Complete-Set-1-4-Mac -Pro-2006-2008-/111386524693?pt=US_Drive_Bay_Caddies&hash=item19ef277c15. The screws appear to all be there.
In terms of adapters, this one was in my 2006 Mac Pro when I got it, and it seemed to work fine, although I didn't keep it in there very long:
http://www.amazon.com/Icy-Dock-EZConvert-2-5-Inch-Converter/dp/B002Z2QDNE
OWC sells a couple of 2.5" drive adapters also.
I wouldn't worry about upgrading the graphics until your wife has had a chance to do some photo editing on it. You may not need to upgrade the card for a while, if ever.

Early 2008 Mac Pro Raid + Radeon 4870

So far this has been a very disappointing experience in upgrading to SL!
I have an early 2008 Mac Pro with Apple software RAID as my boot drive, SL of course is not seeing this as a possible install drive as others have experienced. I have tried to boot directly off of two different SL retail upgrade disks but the installer crashes every time (I've verified that the drive boots off of other disks). I'm starting to suspect that it may be an issue with the Radeon 4870, has anyone else with a similar setup had any success in upgrading to SL? I'm going to try installing the original video card to see if that helps, otherwise it looks like I will be doing an install to a new hard drive from within Leopard.

I've got a 2006 Mac Pro, the first gen one. I've got a flashed PC 4870 and a three disk software raid of 640GB Western Digital HD's, Model: WDC WD6400AAKS-00A7B0. When I ran the install disk from Mac OS, I couldn't install to the raid, it didn't show up as a volume that could be installed to. However when I restarted from the DVD I had no trouble installing onto the raid at all. The install finished without a hitch. I also ran an install to my Intel X25-E and didn't have any trouble there either. So I know it is possible to get the install to work with a raid and a 4870.
Obviously my setup isn't exactly like yours though. But that's the best I can do.

Early 2008 mac pro won't boot from hdd when ssd is installed

I have Mountain Lion 10.8.3 installed on my 1TB HDD in my early 2008 mac pro. That is the only OS install on my mac. I have an OWC SSD formatted but left as an empty drive that I am trying to use but when it's installed my mac hangs on the blank gray screen.
My mac cold boots fine and runs fine when the SSD is *not* installed. When I shut down and put the SSD into a drive bay the mac does seem to boot ok the first time, but when the computer is off for a while it will not boot. It just hangs on the blank gray screen (no apple logo). As soon as I pull out the SSD, the computer boots fine and runs fine again. I am not trying to boot off the SSD, I am booting off the HDD. The correct drive (1tb hdd) is selected in startup disk.
OWC has been helping me and I have tested 3 SSD's. So it does not appear to be a problem with their drive.
The mac will boot into safe mode with the SSD installed. It will boot if I choose the boot drive with the option key at startup.
Mountain Lion was clean installed.
Could it be some sort of library pref or cache issue?
Any recommendations on what to try?

A HT does not find a lot of errors.
It doesn't look for bad sectors or directory or file problems.
Clone your SSD now that you have a clean OS and has the Apple updates on it. Before you make changes.
Install TRIM Enabler 2.2+ on it and any boot volume, to enable TRIM and so that Disk Utility's Repair Disk will trim cells. Mountain Lion Recovery won't which is a shame, so...
Clone and keep bootable backup clone of your system to use for maintenance.
A really bad directory on a system drive will cause interference from booting.
SSDs really need extra care, and even with TRIM, to be repaired from time to time and couple times a year, to do an erase and restore from a current image.
Of course Mac OS system even iwth apps is small and doesn't need to have any data or media and fits on 120GB usually just fine and still have a good enough amount free so TRIM and Garbage Collection can work properly and not get low on free pages. But 20GB free should be the minimum free, and better to have more, at least whatever total amount is written out in a month.

Compatible graphics cards for the early 2008 Mac Pro 3,1?

I have an early 2008 Mac Pro 3,1 with the 2.66Ghz Quad core processor that is running Lion. I had an ATI Radeon Card in there that didn't last very long (I've read not great reviews about them recently) and now I need a replacement that will be compatible with my system and that will last me longer than my previous card did. The problem is I don't know what my options are. Can anyone reccomend me a viable replacement? I do video/audio production so something high end would be nice.
Thanks,
-RH

There are some good ideas, comments and tests just how much difference and in what applications.
The differences between 2.5GT and others are less than you might think.
There is no-compromise performance for some areas of CS6 and CUDA with ML and GTX 570 or above. The new EVGA GTX 660-Ti FTW w/ 3GB $330 looks to be very popular and that is the "mid-range" today, compared to $400-500 where GTX 680 sits or ATI 79xx series.
If you have to use 10.6.8 that is a bigger factor and some cards require 10.7.4 or later.
The 5x70 were average cards when they came out. There is no reason to have a system where early boot is totally dependent upon firmware and couldn't do basic video. Anyway some people are willing to swap out the 5770 and keep it just for debugging.
As to the original question: can't tell if you were interested in asking if a MacBook Pro Retina or something else... kind of hard to argue. A 12-core 3.33GHz with 48GB and 5 internal hard drives - it is hard not to do whateer you throw at it esp. if cost is not the primary concern but work is and it is suppose to pay for itself.

I have an early 2008 Mac Pro, which has re-booting problems. Also what does the spinning beach-ball indicate?

Hi, I have an early 2008 Mac Pro which has re-booting problems.
Processor speed is: 2.8
Memory: 2GB 800 MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM
2 x 28GHz Quad Core Intel Xeon
I am running OSX Yosemite Version 10.10
My Mac Pro keeps re-booting. Last year I had to replace my graphics card. My original card was the ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 255MB, and that is what I have now. At this precise moment my Mac Pro is running perfectly, except that it is slow and the spinning beach-ball keeps appearing. I have managed to do some work with the disk utilities, verifying, cleaning and partitioning. Some errors were found and when it was cleaned this seemed to help my Mac Pro to function properly. Although I am able to use my Mac Pro now, from day to day I still experience re-boot problems. Also quite unexpectedly my mac dictionary has an error, it closed itself down and will not open at all, I had the message to say that a report will be sent to Apple.
I have tried starting my computer with an external hard drive fitted via a USB cable, I use for back-ups. This worked and I was able to wipe my hard drive clear and replace all info from the back up I had done only a few days ago.
This worked for a few days and then the same problem started again.
I am beginning to wonder if I need to buy a new hard drive.
If there is anyone who has some answers to help me solve my problem, I would be most grateful.
Robert

When you have the beachball activity, note the exact time: hour, minute, second.
These instructions must be carried out as an administrator. If you have only one user account, you are the administrator.
Launch the Console application in any of the following ways:
☞ Enter the first few letters of its name into a Spotlight search. Select it in the results (it should be at the top.)
☞ In the Finder, select Go ▹ Utilities from the menu bar, or press the key combination shift-command-U. The application is in the folder that opens.
☞ Open LaunchPad and start typing the name.
The title of the Console window should be All Messages. If it isn't, select
          SYSTEM LOG QUERIES ▹ All Messages
from the log list on the left. If you don't see that list, select
          View ▹ Show Log List
from the menu bar at the top of the screen.
Each message in the log begins with the date and time when it was entered. Scroll back to the time you noted above.
Select the messages entered from then until the end of the episode, or until they start to repeat, whichever comes first.
Copy the messages to the Clipboard by pressing the key combination command-C. Paste into a reply to this message by pressing command-V.
The log contains a vast amount of information, almost all of it useless for solving any particular problem. When posting a log extract, be selective. A few dozen lines are almost always more than enough.
Please don't indiscriminately dump thousands of lines from the log into this discussion.
Please don't post screenshots of log messages—post the text.
Some private information, such as your name, may appear in the log. Anonymize before posting.

Early 2008 Mac Pro wakes up from sleep with Mavericks.

Ever since I upgraded to OSX Mavericks on Tuesday, my early 2008 Mac Pro keeps waking up from sleep mode every couple hours. It goes back to sleep again on its own though after a minute, so I'm thinking it's some kind of new automated feature that I'm not aware of. With the Mac Pro being fairly loud when it wakes up from sleep mode, it woke me up three times last night! Is there some kind of option in the system preferences that I'm not aware of that can deactivate this new behavior? I usually only shut down my computer once a week, and keep it in sleep mode when I'm not using it most of the time, but I'm going to have to start shutting it down every night now to keep it from waking me up throughout the night...

Hello MARl0,
You may want to disable the Power Nap functionality, if available, in System Preferences -> Energy Saver.
OS X Mavericks: Change Power Nap settings
http://support.apple.com/kb/PH14391
Cheers,
Allen

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