Early delta initialization and update methods

Hi gurus
Can we use EDI with "queued delta" as update method?
If yes where we need to do that setting and if no then would you pl tell me which functionality we need to use in infopkg to load delta from R/3 with Queued delta as a update method?
Pl help to understand this.
Thanks

In the 'update' mode in your infopackage, if you see an 'early delta init' option, you can use it for that datasource (for queued or any other delta). This is where you choose to run an 'early delta init'.

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  • How to Use Early Delta Initialization

    Hi BW Experts,
    We are in BI 7.0 Version. Only for Reporting we are using BI 7.0. For modeling, still we are using BW 3.1C only.
    We want to use Early Delta Initialization. But this is in Disable Mode in our system
    I am getting the following Messages:
    <b>"Extractors supporting early delta initialization are not available before plug-in (-A) 2002.1"</b>
    <b>"You cannot execute an initialization simulation together with an early delta"</b>
    Please can anyone give me the suggestion.
    Regards
    Anjali

    Hi,
    you have the option of writing the data into the delta queue or into the delta tables for the application during the initialization request in the source system. This means that you are able to execute the initialization of the delta process (the init request), without having to stop the updating of data in the source system. You can only execute an early delta initialization if the DataSource extractor called in the source system with this data request supports this..Use the Early Delta Initialization indicator in the InfoPackage if you want to avoid a period when no updates can be made (no document processing and update) in the source system while the delta process is being initialized. In some applications (such as LO Cockpit), an update-free period is nevertheless needed to fill the setup tables. In such cases, the update-free time is merely reduced. If you want to carry out early delta initialization, the update in the source system can continue  and the data can be written to the delta queue while the initialization requests are being processed. Note: DataSources that support early delta initialization are available as of the release Plug-In 2002.1. The field ZDD_ABLE (characteristic value = X) for table RSOLTPSOURCE (in BW) or ROOSOURCE (in the source system) indicates whether a DataSource can support early delta initialization.Not always on our systems an important downtime is possible in the initialization process during the reconstruction and the delta init request (just thinking when you need to ask a billing stop period...a real nightmare in some company !)
    For this reason, as of PI 2002.1 and BW Release 3.0B, you can use the early delta initialization to perform the initialization for selected datasources (just checking in infopackage update mode tab if this function is available): in this way you can readmit document postings in the OLTP system as early as possible during the initialization procedure..In fact, if an early delta initialization infopackage was started in BW, data may be written immediately to the delta queue.
    But, if you are working with the queued delta method, using early delta initialization function doesn’t make sense: as described before, it’s the same method definition that permits to reduce downtime phase.
    But leaving aside that, don’t forget that, regardless of the update method selected, it’s ALWAYS necessary to stop any document postings (for the relevant application) during setup tables recompilation run

  • When are init entries done in source system?And early delta initialization?

    Hi Friends,
    Q1) When are the init entries done in source system?
    If INIT entries are done when I run INIT that means:
    If my setup job finishes at 6AM and I run the INIT at 1 PM will I loose all data between 6AM and 1PM?
    If INIT entries are done when I run setup table i.e. when setup table load finish then
    If my setup job finishes at 6AM and I run the INIT at 1 PM...it will load data till 6AM
    and after that data would bere there in Delta queue. So, this is ok...as no loss of data.
    Q2) I  have read on help.sap that "With early delta initialization, you have the option of writing the data into the
    delta queue or into the delta tables for the application during the initialization request in the source
    system. This means that you are able to execute the initialization of the delta process (the init request),
    without having to stop the updating of data in the source system."
    Does this mean when I run INIT at 1PM, no V1 updates will happen for that DS in Source System?
    If Yes, that means I should always (when users are online) run INIT with early delta initialization
    during times when users would be online?
    Thanks!

    Hello,
    You will find the answers to the questions that you ask and the correct procedure to follow in the SAP note 602260.
    Best Regards,
    Des

  • How to catch Delta Initialization and Delta Update in a Function Module

    Hi Experts:
    I'm developing a FM to extract data from R3. I wonder if anybody knows how to catch when i'm making a delta initialization and a delta update in my FM, because i have different parameters and routines from each one.
    Thanks in advanced.
    Points for helpfull answers.

    Hi,
    Keep one dummy date field in the structure. Make this dummy date field as delta enabled field. When you do Init load this date field value will be blank and next time when you do load it will have the last upload (in this case init load) date. You have to write a code before open cursor as below:
          LOOP AT s_s_if-t_select INTO l_s_select.
                                  WHERE fieldnm = '(dummy date field name)'.
             l_date = l_s_select-low.
          ENDLOOP.
    l_date will have the last upload date. This you can use to select the delta records from the table or for the further processing.
    If you want to check the value during Init or delta load, go to RSA3 and debug it(Don't use F - Full load. Use I or D in the update field).
    Hope this helps.
    PB

  • Early delta initialization

    Hello Gurus,
    What are the scenarios we use Early Delta Init.
    Is it available for Logistics datasources.
    Full points to right answers.
    Thanks in advance.

    hi BW,
    check this
    http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/80/1a65dce07211d2acb80000e829fbfe/frameset.htm
    Early Delta Initialization
    With early delta initialization, you have the option of writing the data into the delta queue or into the delta tables for the application during the initialization request in the source system. This means that you are able to execute the initialization of the delta process (the init request), without having to stop the updating of data in the source system. You can only execute an early delta initialization if the DataSource extractor called in the source system with this data request supports this.
    Extractors that support early delta initialization were delivered with Plug-Ins as of Plug-In (-A) 2002.1.
    You cannot run an initialization simulation together with an early delta initialization.
    yes, it's available for logistics - oss note 505700, you can cross check the infopackage.
    hope this helps.
    505700-LBWE: New update methods as of PI 2002.1
    g) Early delta initialization in the logistics extraction:
    As of PI 2002.1 and BW Release 3.0B, you can use the early delta initialization to perform the delta initialization for selected DataSources.
    Only the DataSources of applications 11, 12 and 13 support this procedure in the logistics extraction for PI 2002.1.
    The early delta initialization is used to admit document postings in the OLTP system as early as possible during the initialization procedure. If an early delta initialization InfoPackage was started in BW, data may be written immediately to the delta queue of the central delta management.
    When you use the "direct delta" update method in the logistics extraction, you do not have to wait for the successful conclusion of all delta Init requests in order to readmit document postings in the OLTP if you are using an early delta initialization.
    When you use the "queued delta" update method, early delta initialization is essentially of no advantage because here, as with conventional initialization procedures, you can readmit document postings after successfully filling the setup tables, provided that you ensure that no data is transferred from the extraction queue to the delta queue, that is, an update collective run is not triggered until all of the delta init requests have been successfully posted.
    Early Delta Initialization

  • EARLY DELTA INITIALIZATION IN LO COCKPIT

    HI EVERYBODY,
    SORRY FOR ASKING A SILLY QUESTION --BUT I REALLY NEED AN EXPLANAITION
    <b>WHAT IS EARLY DELTA INITIALIZATION</b>????(can we select this method the same way we do for Delta init)
    I KNOW THAT BEFORE DOING DELTA WE WILL DO DELTA INITIALIZATION.
    I HAVE READ A WEBLOG OF ROBERTO IT WAS WONDERFUL BUT I GOT STUCK WITH THIS <b>EARLY DELTA INITIALIZATION.</b> AND ABOUT DOCUMENT POSTINGS.
    DOES THIS MEAN THAT BEFORE GOING FOR DELTA INITIALIZATION (i mean before filling setup tables ) DO WE NEED TO SHUT DOWN THE INSTANCE ON OUR OLTP --so no transaction data will be updated to the extract structure.
    WHAT IS <b>FREE DOCUMENTS POSTING PHASE</b>
    THANKS AND REGARDS
    NEELKAMAL
    Message was edited by: neelkamal moganti

    You can find the option for Early Delta Init in the InfoPackage on the Update tab. Using this option, the source system update can continue and data can be written to the delta queue while the initialization request is being processed.
    Early Delta Intialiation is the process in which we run the init of delta and load the delta queue in parallel.
    Generally when we do Initialization we need to stop transactions in R/3 system till the initialization is completed if we do Early delta initialization we don't have to stop posting of transactions in R/3 even when we are doing initialization. Please see this for more explanation
    Early Delta Initialization
    With early delta initialization, you have the option of writing the data into the delta queue or into the delta tables for the application during the initialization request in the source system. This means that you are able to execute the initialization of the delta process (the init request), without having to stop the posting of data in the source system. The option of executing an early delta initialization is only available if the Data Source extractor called in the source system with this data request supports this.
    Assign  points if it helps...
    regards,
    ashok

  • Early Delta Initialization option in Production system

    Hi Experts,
    I have seen some threads related to Early Delta initialization in this forum. I have a question regarding this option.
    To minimize the downtime/block users in the R/3 production system during set up tables fillup I would like to use the Early delta option. Please give your suggestions on the following procedure:
    For Sales Orders, billing and Deliveries
    1. Initialize Early delta in the BI system.
    2. Go and fill setup tables
    3. Do a full load to BI
    4. Run delta job in R/3 (LBWE)
    5. Run delta job in BI Info package
    Do we miss any documents in this process for e.g. during set up tables fill up changes to existing documents or newly created sales orders.
    I feel we won't miss. All changes will be reflected in Delta queue. And even newly created orders also will be coming to delta queue.
    Please let me know if I am wrong.
    Thank you.

    Need Clarification on this thread,
    According to my understanding, during the filling of set up table if a user does any posting, then the data available in BW will be incorrect.
    am i right?
    In your sequence the 4th step
    4. Run delta job in R/3 (LBWE),     this means you are using queued or unseriallized v3 update.
    Early delta iniliazation essentially of no advantage because, as conventional initialization procedures, you can readmit document
    postings after successfully filling the setup tables.
    can anybody clear my doubt. is it possible during setup table filling user can post a document.
    I know the documents will be collected in the queue. But the data loaded to bw will be incorrect right?
    Regards,
    Anand.
    Edited by: araj123 on May 26, 2010 11:41 AM

  • BW early delta initialization request failed

    Dear all,
    the early delta initialization request of a info package failed for the data source 2LIS_11_VAITM & 2LIS_18_I3OPER due to disk space problems (log overflow).
    Is there a possibility to rerun the early delta initialization load without destroying the delta queue and without a new source system initialization? The job has to been already scheduled to push the data into delta queue and the delta info package was not started jet.
    Regards
    Edited by: Claudio Forte on Oct 11, 2010 11:22 PM

    Hi,
    Take a look on the information given in below links:
    Re: Early Delta Intialization!!!
    Re: Early Delta Initialization
    Re: Early Delta Initialization
    Re: Lo Extraction
    Re: reg:early delta andinit delta with out data transfer
    With rgds,
    Anil Kumar Sharma .P

  • Enabling Early Delta Initialization option for LO DataSource 2LIS_06_INV

    Hi Guyz,
    I want to enable Earlt Delta Initialization option for LO DataSource 2LIS_06_INV, as of now its greyed out.
    please tell me if its possible or not, and if yes then please let me know the steps in detail.
    cheerz,
    raps.

    hi,
    Not all Data sources support Early Delta Initialization. Early delta initialization is done to capture the deltas when the initialization is being done between BW and source system (init with data transfer). As init with data transfer takes large time and during this time any records created will also be not captured so we do early delta initialization, also the same can be achieved by executing the init without data transfer and then loading a full repair request. The init without data transfer creats a time stamp and delta is generated for newly posted records.
    regards,
    Arvind.

  • Delta Calculation and Updating multiple tables

    We pull data from a System of Records table that contains the most up to date information. The information changes daily so we have a delta process to identify what new records were added, which records were deleted (records that are not found in the table as compared to yesterday) and which were updated. Delta process compares the already loaded data with the newly updated SOR data to find the differences.
    Once the delta is established, either new records get added or existing records get updated or existing records are marked as inactive (Deletes). Additions and Updates generally happen across multiple destination tables.
    Updates are identified by looking at different columns to see if any one column is changed. These columns end up in different tables.
    Example
    Source Delta Table, S1
    ID COL1 COL2 COL3 ACTION
    1 abc xyz pqr A
    2 bcd lmn def U
    S1.Col1 maps to Destination Table D1.Col23
    S1.Col2 maps to Destination Table D2.Col45
    S1.Col3 maps to Destination Table D3.Col11
    Currently all tables are updated irrespective of whether the relevant data has changed or not (All 3 destination tables are updated).
    I would like to know which of the Columns for a given row has changed values so that I can update only the relevant tables.
    Thus if additional columns are available that act as flags
    Source Delta Table, S1
    ID COL1 COL2 COL3 ACTION COL1 COL2 COL3
    1 abc xyz pqr A - - -
    2 bcd lmn def U N Y N
    3 kjh qwe iop U Y Y N
    then for incoming ID=2, I just have to update Destination Table D2 and not D1 and D3
    for incoming ID= 3, I have to update Destination Tables D1 and D2 but not D3.
    How can I achieve that?
    This is mainly to improve performance as the processing time is very short - Faster the delta processing, better will it be.
    Thanks in advance.

    Thanks for your response.
    My question was more towards establishing what has changed.
    Given a table, which is updated daily, how does one efficiently establish which data has changed?
    Here is an example to clarify my question further
    The Source table has the following data on a particular day
    Data in Source table on Monday               
    ID     Col1     Col2     Col3
    1     abc     bcd     cde
    2     def     efg     fgh
    3     ghi     hij     ijk
    4     jkl     klm     lmn
    Copy of the above data is stored in a Old Data table
    Data in Source table on Tuesday               
    ID     Col1     Col2     Col3
    1     bac     bcd     cde
    2     def     gfe     fgh
    3     ghi     jih     jik
    5     mno     nop     opq
    Data in Source Table is compared with data in Old Data Table
    Delta established by comparing Source Table with Old Data Table                    
    ID     Col1     Col2     Col3     Delta_Flag
    1     bac     bcd     cde     U
    2     def     gfe     fgh     U
    4                    D
    5     mno     nop     opq     A
    Rows with IDs 1 & 2 were updated - thus to be updated
    Row with ID 3 - no change so not seen in delta
    Row with ID 4 was not found - thus to be deleted
    Row with ID 5 was new - To be added
    I can do the above easily. I would like to a step further to be able to say for updates
    Row with ID 1 has Col1 changed
    Row with ID 2 has Col2 and Col3 changed
    Is there an easy way to do this?

  • Direct Delta, Queued and Unseralized V3

    HI
    FOR IM datasources, BF and UM, the guide mentions Direct Delta as the preferred selection. How do we decide this?
    Also for LO cockpit DS in SD, what selection is chosen?
    Thanks
    Harie

    hi Harie,
    take a look oss note 505700 -LBWE: New update methods as of PI 2002.1 and 500426 - BW extraction SD: alternatives to V3 updating
    hope this helps.
    505700
    Symptom
    Up to and including PI 2001.2 or PI-A 2001.2, only the "Serialized V3 update" update method was used for all applications of the logistics extract structures Customizing Cockpit. As a result of the new plug-in, three new update methods are now also available for each application.
    The "Serialized V3 update" update method is no longer offered as of PI 2003.1 or PI-A 2003.1. Between installing PI 2002.1 or PI-A 2002.1 and installing PI 2003.1 or PI-A 2003.1, you should therefore switch to one of these new methods in all applications offering alternative update methods.
    Rather than describing an error, this note helps you make the right selection of update methods for the applications relating to the logistics extract structures Customizing Cockpit.
    Read this note carefully and in particular, refer to the essential notes required for some applications when using the new update methods.
    You will also find more detailed information on the SAP  Service Marketplace at: http://service.sap.com/~sapidb/011000358700005772172002
    Or:
    http://service.sap.com/BW > SAP BW InfoIndex > Delta Handling > New Update Methods in Logistics Extraction with PI2002.1 2.0x/3.0x (ppt)
    Other terms
    V3 update, V3, serialization, TMCEXUPD
    Reason and Prerequisites
    New design
    Solution
    1. Why should I no longer use the "Serialized V3 update" as of PI 2002.1 or PI-A 2002.1?
    The following restrictions and problems with the "serialized V3 update" resulted in alternative update methods being provided with the new plug-in and the "serialized V3 update" update method no longer being provided with an offset of 2 plug-in releases.
    a) If, in an R/3 System, several users who are logged on in different languages enter documents in an application, the V3 collective run only ever processes the update entries for one language during a process call. Subsequently, a process call is automatically started for the update entries from the documents that were entered in the next language. During the serialized V3 update, only update entries that were generated in direct chronological order and with the same logon language can therefore be processed. If the language in the sequence of the update entries changes, the V3 collective update process is terminated and then restarted with the new language.
    For every restart, the VBHDR update table is read sequentially on the database. If the update tables contain a very high number of entries, it may require so much time to process the update data that more new update records are simultaneously generated than the number of records being processed.
    b) The serialized V3 update can only guarantee the correct sequence of extraction data in a document if the document has not been changed twice in one second.
    c) Furthermore, the serialized V3 update can only ensure that the extraction data of a document is in the correct sequence if the times have been synchronized exactly on all system instances, since the time of the update record (which is determined using the locale time of the application server) is used in sorting the update data.
    d) In addition, the serialized V3 update can only ensure that the extraction data of a document is in the correct sequence if an error did not occur beforehand in the U2 update, since the V3 update only processes update data, for which the U2 update is successfully processed.
    2. New "direct delta" update method:
    With this update mode, extraction data is transferred directly to the BW delta queues every time a document is posted. In this way, each document posted with delta extraction is converted to exactly one LUW in the related BW delta queues.
    If you are using this method, there is no need to schedule a job at regular intervals to transfer the data to the BW delta queues. On the other hand, the number of LUWs per DataSource increases significantly in the BW delta queues because the deltas of many documents are not summarized into one LUW in the BW delta queues as was previously the case for the V3 update.
    If you are using this update mode, note that you cannot post any documents during delta initialization in an application from the start of the recompilation run in the OLTP until all delta init requests have been successfully updated successfully in BW. Otherwise, data from documents posted in the meantime is irretrievably lost.
    The restrictions and problems described in relation to the "Serialized V3 update" do not apply to this update method.
    This update method is recommended for the following general criteria:
    a) A maximum of 10,000 document changes (creating, changing or deleting documents) are accrued between two delta extractions for the application in question. A (considerably) larger number of LUWs in the BW delta queue can result in terminations during extraction.
    b) With a future delta initialization, you can ensure that no documents are posted from the start of the recompilation run in R/3 until all delta-init requests have been successfully posted. This applies particularly if, for example, you want to include more organizational units such as another plant or sales organization in the extraction. Stopping the posting of documents always applies to the entire client.
    3. The new "queued delta" update method:
    With this update mode, the extraction data for the affected application is compiled in an extraction queue (instead of in the update data) and can be transferred to the BW delta queues by an update collective run, as previously executed during the V3 update.
    Up to 10,000 delta extractions of documents to an LUW in the BW delta queues are cumulated in this way per DataSource, depending on the application.
    If you use this method, it is also necessary to schedule a job to regularly transfer the data to the BW delta queues ("update collective run"). However, you should note that reports delivered using the logistics extract structures Customizing cockpit are used during this scheduling. There is no point in scheduling with the RSM13005 report for this update method since this report only processes V3 update entries. The simplest way to perform scheduling is via the "Job control" function in the logistics extract structures Customizing Cockpit. We recommend that you schedule the job hourly during normal operation - that is, after successful delta initialization.
    In the case of a delta initialization, the document postings of the affected application can be included again after successful execution of the recompilation run in the OLTP, provided that you make sure that the update collective run is not started before all delta Init requests have been successfully updated in the BW.
    In the posting-free phase during the recompilation run in OLTP, you should execute the update collective run once (as before) to make sure that there are no old delta extraction data remaining in the extraction queues when you resume posting of documents.
    If you want to use the functions of the logistics extract structures Customizing cockpit to make changes to the extract structures of an application (for which you selected this update method), you should make absolutely sure that there is no data in the extraction queue before executing these changes in the affected systems. This applies in particular to the transfer of changes to a production system. You can perform a check when the V3 update is already in use in the respective target system using the RMCSBWCC check report.
    In the following cases, the extraction queues should never contain any data:
    - Importing an R/3 Support Package
    - Performing an R/3 upgrade
    - Importing a plug-in Support Packages
    - Executing a plug-in upgrade
    For an overview of the data of all extraction queues of the logistics extract structures Customizing Cockpit, use transaction LBWQ. You may also obtain this overview via the "Log queue overview" function in the logistics extract structures Customizing cockpit. Only the extraction queues that currently contain extraction data are displayed in this case.
    The restrictions and problems described in relation to the "Serialized V3 update" do not apply to this update method.
    This update method is recommended for the following general criteria:
    a) More than 10,000 document changes (creating, changing or deleting a documents) are performed each day for the application in question.
    b) In future delta initializations, you must reduce the posting-free phase to executing the recompilation run in R/3. The document postings should be included again when the delta Init requests are posted in BW. Of course, the conditions described above for the update collective run must be taken into account.
    4. The new "unserialized V3 update" update method:
    With this update mode, the extraction data of the application in question continues to be written to the update tables using a V3 update module and is retained there until the data is read and processed by a collective update run.
    However, unlike the current default values (serialized V3 update), the data is read in the update collective run (without taking the sequence from the update tables into account) and then transferred to the BW delta queues.
    The restrictions and problems described in relation to the "Serialized V3 update" do not apply to this update method since serialized data transfer is never the aim of this update method. However, you should note the following limitation of this update method:
    The extraction data of a document posting, where update terminations occurred in the V2 update, can only be processed by the V3 update when the V2 update has been successfully posted.
    This update method is recommended for the following general criteria:
    a) Due to the design of the data targets in BW and for the particular application in question, it is irrelevant whether or not the extraction data is transferred to BW in exactly the same sequence in which the data was generated in R/3.
    5. Other essential points to consider:
    a) If you want to select a new update method in application 02 (Purchasing), it is IMPERATIVE that you implement note 500736. Otherwise, even if you have selected another update method, the data will still be written to the V3 update. The update data can then no longer be processed using the RMBV302 report.
    b) If you want to select a new update method in application 03 (Inventory Management), it is IMPERATIVE that you implement note 486784. Otherwise, even if you have selected another update method, the data will still be written to the V3 update. The update data can then no longer be processed using the RMBWV303 report.
    c) If you want to select a new update method in application 04 (Production Planning and Control), it is IMPERATIVE that you implement note 491382. Otherwise, even if you have selected another update method, the data will still be written to the V3 update. The update data can then no longer be processed using the RMBWV304 report.
    d) If you want to select a new update method in application 45 (Agency Business), it is IMPERATIVE that you implement note 507357. Otherwise, even if you have selected another update method, the data will still be written to the V3 update. The update data can then no longer be processed using the RMBWV345 report.
    e) If you want to change the update method of an application to "queued delta", we urgently recommended that you install the latest qRFC version. In this case, you must refer to note 438015.
    f) If you use the new selection function in the logistics extract structures Customizing Cockpit in an application to change from the "Serialized V3" update method to the "direct delta" or "queued delta", you must make sure that there are no pending V3 updates for the applications concerned before importing the relevant correction in all affected systems. To check this, use transaction SA38 to run the RMCSBWCC report with one of the following extract structures in the relevant systems:
        Application 02:   MC02M_0HDR
        Application 03:   MC03BF0
        Application 04:   MC04PE0ARB
        Application 05:   MC05Q00ACT
        Application 08:   MC08TR0FKP
        Application 11:   MC11VA0HDR
        Application 12:   MC12VC0HDR
        Application 13:   MC13VD0HDR
        Application 17:   MC17I00ACT
        Application 18:   MC18I00ACT
        Application 40:   MC40RP0REV
        Application 43:   MC43RK0CAS
        Application 44:   MC44RB0REC
        Application 45:   MC45W_0HDR.
    You can switch the update method if this report does return any information on open V3 updates. Of course, you must not post any documents in the affected application after checking with the report and until you import the relevant Customizing request. This procedure applies in particular to importing the relevant Customizing request into a production system.
    Otherwise, the pending V3 updates are no longer processed. This processing is still feasible even after you import the Customizing request using the RSM13005 report. However, in this case, you can be sure that the serialization of data in the BW delta queues has not been preserved.
    g) Early delta initialization in the logistics extraction:
    As of PI 2002.1 and BW Release 3.0B, you can use the early delta initialization to perform the delta initialization for selected DataSources.
    Only the DataSources of applications 11, 12 and 13 support this procedure in the logistics extraction for PI 2002.1.
    The early delta initialization is used to admit document postings in the OLTP system as early as possible during the initialization procedure. If an early delta initialization InfoPackage was started in BW, data may be written immediately to the delta queue of the central delta management.
    When you use the "direct delta" update method in the logistics extraction, you do not have to wait for the successful conclusion of all delta Init requests in order to readmit document postings in the OLTP if you are using an early delta initialization.
    When you use the "queued delta" update method, early delta initialization is essentially of no advantage because here, as with conventional initialization procedures, you can readmit document postings after successfully filling the setup tables, provided that you ensure that no data is transferred from the extraction queue to the delta queue, that is, an update collective run is not triggered until all of the delta init requests have been successfully posted.
    Regardless of the initialization procedure or update method selected, it is nevertheless necessary to stop any document postings for the affected application during a recompilation run in the OLTP (filling the setup tables).
    500426
    Symptom
    With the BW extraction with the structures of the logistics extract structures customizing cockpit there is only V3 updating as an update method up to plug-in release PI-2001.2.
    To make every possible effort to ensure the transfer of document postings to BW in the correct sequence the parameter "SERIAL" was added to the V3 collective update (refer also to note 385099). If this parameter is set at the start of the V3 collective update, the update data is read and processed by the database in the sequence of its creation time.
    However, this procedure gives rise to the following major performance problem:
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