Edge sharpening and noise: your settings?

I am experimenting with edge sharpening. I have a couple of questions.
1. How to lift and stamp JUST the edge sharpening? From the HUD it looks like all the adjustment settings get applied? (Do I need to do anything else but highlight the edge sharpening in the HUD before stamping)?
2. What do you like for portraits as a setting in edge sharpening?
3. What settings for noise reduction? My latest shoot has all kinds of noise (concert photography) due to 1600 ISO.
Any advice welcome here! Thanks so much!

1. All the settings under Adjustments will be stamped, at this point is not possible to select only one adjustment. If you are gonna apply the same settings to few images you can untick the boxes of the adjustments you don't want to copy to other images, then lift the adjustments (only those with the box ticked will be lifted) and stamp it to the others.
2. Edge sharpening is a great tool, the best is to experiment and find the results you like. That depends on many factors as the type of photography, lenses used and even personal taste. Have a look at this document:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304536
3. I don't find noise reduction in aperture any great. Only chroma blur for removing colour noise. At ISO 1600 2.5 setting in chroma blur does the job. Before printing I always bring the image to Photoshop and use Noiseware Professional, which gives great results.

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