Edit Smart Object in Lightroom instead of ACR

Hi,
I recently aquired both photoshop CS5 and lightroom 3. I'm still trying to get down the best workflow between the two programs. What I'd like to do is to use lightroom as my only raw converter and use photoshop to make the final pixel edits. I've been playing around with smart objects and have noticed that once you open a raw file from lightroom as a smart object in photoshop, it appears your stuck in photoshop. If you want to open the smart object and make alterations it opens in adobe camera raw in photoshop. Is there a way to re-open the smart object back in lightroom instead of in ACR?
Thanks!

If I interpret you correctly, I think what you want is to use PS as a photo editor and retain the image - with the PS-edits - as a RAW-file.
And that is not possible.
You say "that there must be a way to synchronize those instructions".
No, there is no way, even though LR and PS use ACR - and it is the same ACR for both (BTW: ACR means Adobe Camera Raw).
You cannot synchronize the instructions (= edits) because LR writes / saves them in the LR-Catalog, whereas PS (as a pixel-based editor) cannot write into the LR-Catalog (nor can it read the LR catalog).
PS also cannot write XMP-files (alyhough Adobe Bridge can). PS is a pixel-based editor and that means that Adobe can write / save its edits only as a PDF (TIFF, etc)-file.
When you open a RAW-image in PS with previous edits in LR), the image is displayed in PS with the LR-edits. When you then make further edits in PS you have to save those edits as a PSD (TIFF, etc.). If you don't and close the file the PS-edits will be gone and lost.
You say "When you open a Smart Object up in ACR from Photoshop, where does Photoshop keep the instructions/edits?".
I don't know, presumably in RAM or on the PS scratch-disk. But these instructions/edits are not accessible and if you close the file without saving the image they will be lost. And if you save the image you will have a PSD (or TIFF, etc.)
You write: "This way you could "re-edit" the original raw file in Lightroom and then apply those changes to wherever Photoshop keeps the instructions of how to interpret the Smart Object." Yeah, it would be nice but it isn't possible. Maybe Adobe picks your idea and in the future who knows ...
But right now: Nope.
WW

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