Edit to tape INSERT & NO AUDIO

Ok, so i have a brand new Mac, Decklink Blackmagic Extreme HD card in it. Everything works properly, except the insert edit to tape. When I perform an assemble edit through the "Edit to tape" window it works fine, but cannot get the insert edit to insert audio?? Using a Sony UVW-1800 deck. Performed a test on the deck with another editor and it worked fine. Using the Blackmagic 10Bit Easy setup thus far. A bit confused about what the device control settings should be, or where I should be looking to get FCPS2 to tell the deck to record audio when doing an insert edit. And before you ask, yes I have selected "all on" from the "edit to tape" window audio pop-up.
I need help soon, as this is how we put all our productions to master tapes for the company!! Thanks in advance!!

Alright, if you have a Decklink card, and a BetaSP deck... this will be VERY helpful!!!
http://www.blackmagic-design.com/support/detail.asp?techID=118
Thanks!

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Hi all, please go easy on me, this is my first post.
I am having difficulty getting audio on to tape via 'edit to tape'.
The hardware is blackmagic decklink extreme, feeding component video and analoge audio to a UVW-1800P.
I can do a print to video on a crash record and the audio works that way, but edit to tape does not.
I have tried both deck link and built in audio in the audio settings and the FCP a/v settings, seperate and ganged output settings, I have set the insert settings to 2 channel Sony, reloaded the decklink drivers.
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SPECS:
*MAC PRO-*
Quad Core Intel Xeon Processor
3 Ghz
2 Processors
8 cores
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Memory-8GB
Bus Speed 1.33 Ghz
Boot Rom Ver. MP21.007F.B06
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*AJA KONA 3 Ver. 5.1*
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