Edit with external editor ignores colorspace setting?

Hi,
I've successfully gotten Export presets to write files in my desired colorspace (ProPhoto). There is a similar setting for the Cmd-Shift-O "Open in external editor" export in the Preferences pane. But, no matter what I set it to, it ships an AdobeRGB file to Photoshop.
Am I missing something, or is this a bug?
Ben

Works fine for me and have never had an issue so that means A) it works B) Not a bug that affects everyone. I am on the latest version of Aperture 3 but have never experienced this in any version. Might be a problem with your preferences in Aperture - try trashing them.
Also make sure that your photoshop preferences on color handling are setup correctly to respect the embedded profile and is not converting it to working space on open. This is usually the case with issues like this.
RB

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Chau wrote:
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This has been touched on in the forums, but I wanted
to ask the question outright: Can you set the output
color space to something other than AdobeRGB when you
use "Open with External Editor"? I can't find any
way to change it... I like to work in ProPhoto, I
saw some like to work in sRGB.
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No, you are right. My nice 16 bit file goes to 8 bits
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