Editing to Tape problems

Hi all,
I am trying to edit to tape going form FCP 504 to a Sony DSR 45 DVCam deck. There seems to be no problems going to the SP Deck, however if I enter the in-point (as per manual) in the master mode edit to tape window, and then drag the sequence over, nothing seems to happen. I thought this may have somethign to do with the "insert timecode" button, which seems to remain yellow all the time... is this switched on or off? Either way I couldn't get it to change state.
I have striped the tape at hour 10:00:00:00. The mastering window never seems to calculate the running time when hooked up to the Sony DSR deck, so I guess its just not seeing the sequence.
For a while I did seem to progress but got a message to the effect that the deck was not in the right "mode" what ever that means. I have looked extensively in the settings for the deck but cannot see anything, I have also tried various different output settings and still no luck. The RS422 seems fine controlling the deck in non edit to tape mode, so I just cannot figure this out.
Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.
Nick
G5 dual 2Gb Mac OS X (10.4.6) AJA card, 3GB RAM, DVCam & SP Decks

Once again hmmmm.....
I set all my setting for the DVCAM deck to use firewire and all the FCp settings for firewire. Even this ws not working! So I then repatched the video using the components in and hey presto its all works.
It seems I am using the firewire to control the deck but the AJA Kona to output the actual video signal, eventhough no setting should be using the Kona - only direct firewire to firewire! Is this the opposite to what you said patrick? It all just seems so random really, but I guess it has something to do with the Kona and how thats controlling output... not sure.
Just glad to be back up and running, although I have heard that the problem you suggest re frame accuracy may become an issue, but I read that it only usually has an effect on long programs.
Thanks for your help, however please do suggest any reasons behind why only this set up works for me. I'd love to know whats going on for future problem solving.
Regards, Nick
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