Editing with ACR "RAW" in Elements 11?

The new RAW editor for Elements 11 has changed from Elements 10. Where can I find support on how to effectively edit RAW files with Elements 11? I previously purchased the Mark Galer Elements 10 book and found it very useful. I am looking for similar support for Elements 11.

powerpcaa wrote:
Thanks
I do like the ACR in Elements 11. Do you know if there is a way to open multiple JPG files into the ACR? I tried control clicking but it only takes one file at a time
Thanks
In my opinion, this is one the biggest limitations of Elements compared to Lightroom.
The target public of Elements is not the same as that of LR, but Elements is especially attractive to users wanting more than the basic editors on the market and to advanced photographers who don't need at all the additional tools of CS.
Today, those users are apt to use both raw and jpegs pictures : pictures from various cameras in the family, pictures from the DSLR and from the small P&S you carry everywhere. That's a new trend.
What's also new is the power of the new ACR version, which enables you to edit 90% of your pictures without needing to do anything else in the editor. You don't need to save an edited copy as a PSD or JPEG...
And so the Organizer should treat the jpegs just like raws. You should be able to open jpegs (even several jpegs) in ACR from the organizer (the EditInAcr script from John R Ellis did that for single pictures up to version 8). There should be an option additionally to 'edit in an external editor' : open in ACR.
Of course, It would be great to be able to open several jpegs directly from the editor.
I have also suggested elsewhere that the dngconverter would include the option to batch convert jpegs to DNGs. That would enable a batch converting of jpegs to DNGs which would be imported in the catalog, and could be treated just like raws. That would be a workaround.
If you agree, you can add your votes:
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/option_to_open_jpeg_files_in_acr_dir ectly_from_the_organizer
and
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/dng_include_check_codes_for_jpeg_ima ge_data_like_there_are_for_raw_image_data

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From: "Barbara B." <[email protected]>
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:05:25 -0600
To: Warren Newman <[email protected]>
Subject: Iphoto Editing with Photoshop Elements 9
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