Editing with Photoshop from Aperture - getting it back into Aperture

I have Aperture 3, and Photoshop Elements 9 & 10, but for some time now, when I send a photo from Aperture to Photoshop I have problems. The photo opens in Photoshop fine (set as default in Preferences), but when I save the file in Photoshop, it simply opens a 'save as' dialogue, and expects me to save the file on my hard drive somewhere. Even doing this doesn't 'send the edited photo' back to Aperture as it should.
I'm sure I'm missing something obvious! Can anyone help?
Thanks...

I got the same "save as" window the OP did when I pressed Cmd-S (save). I even cancelled out the first time, thinking I'd accidentally pressed Cmd-Shift-S (save as), and went up to the menu to select Save to be sure. The dialogue box still came up.
You can see the file (a PSD in my case) along with with the masters listed in the folder that the dialogue box defaults to, so it's not an issue with the file not being saved upon creation by Aperture. The file does already exist. Trying to save it prompts a "save as" style dialogue box though, as if it wants you to save it as another version. It's weird.
I'm pretty new to Aperture, so I don't know for sure that this pop-up save window behaviour is new, but it sounds like it is (the manual doesn't mention it). Until someone states they are experiencing this with Snow Leopard, my guess is that it's a Lion/versions thing.
Doug

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I posted this in the PSE forum but didn't get any hits. Hopefulyy I'll be luckier here.
I have just purchased Photoshop Elements 8. I do all my editing usually with Photoshop CS3. I use Elements mainly for the organizer.
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Message was edited by: shep222

shep222 wrote:>...even if I do zero Photoshop editing I still get this >3 times increase in file size.
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From: "Barbara B." <[email protected]>
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:05:25 -0600
To: Warren Newman <[email protected]>
Subject: Iphoto Editing with Photoshop Elements 9
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>

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