Elements 9 -crop tool and organizer

1; cannot open organizer - neither from edit, nor opening screen - why? 2; cannot locate the crop tool; is it hidden? how do I find it?

In answer to your remark I will go through the whole process again at a later date and re-post. It does not make any difference to the resultant Crop size whether you input cm or pixels. Here's a point for you though since you mentioned it. Check out the Ruler - does it look like the Crop is anywhere near 500cm x 100cm? Maybe you were so busy trying to find fault that you failed to see the forest for the trees?
I only find fault where it exists - not where it doesn't. As far as Forums go, I am a member of a few Forums and have not had this sort of problem with answers before where the reply posts tend toward trying to pretend a problem doesn't exist or trying to prove fault with the poster. Hmmm. Again I wonder how many of these reply's are from people with some affiliation with Adobe?
I will finish by saying that just for you I will go through the whole pointless exercise again and make sure that the Pixels are indeed input.
1. Opening File
2. File Open.
3. Resetting Crop Tool.
4. Crop Tool reset and Measurement Boxes clear.
5.First Measurement Input. PLEASE NOTE 500 Pixels Input!
6. Second Measurement Input. PLEASE NOTE 100 Pixels Input!
7. Third Criteria Input. PLEASE NOTE 96dpi Input!
8. All Input Data correct and ready to Crop to preset Width/Height/Dpi restrictions.
9. OH DEAR IT DOESN'T WORK! Again it fails to give me a simple 500x100 pixel at 96dpi Crop Box!
After this reply post you may just get some idea of the frustration I am experiencing. As you can plainly see the Crop Box drawn goes to the very edges of the Image to be Cropped. Can you see the problem now? Maybe I should just go with my friend's suggestions and take a video of the process and post it on YouTube? Then go to my local Consumer Affairs Department! If you can find what I am supposedly doing wrong - please elucidate as I have followed both the prescribed steps in the somewhat Shoddy Online Help and also the suggested remedies posted on the Forum. All to no avail. It just Won't Work!

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   Diffuse Glow 15.0
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   Entropy 15.0 (2014.0.0 x001)
   Export Color Lookup NO VERSION
   Extrude 15.0
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Flash:
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I have spent a week trying to get this to work and now it just started working for all images. I have NO idea why.
Here's what I did:
1. uninstalled NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS drivers and reinstalled them
2. uninstalled CC Photoshop 2014 (2x)
3. clean install of CC Photoshop 2014 (2x)
4. installed update (took dozens of tries before this actually downloaded and installed successfully unfortunately)
5. clicked on the crop tool and tried to drag... nothing happened
6. waited, waited and waited.. went about my other work and forgot about it and then after about 5 minutes the crop box appeared. I was able to adjust it too.
No idea but I'm happy now.

Crop tool shows background color unless I switch to "Classic" mode

I'm not sold on the "latest" Photoshop being the best. I've seen more bugs now that I've subscribed to the "CC" version than ever before. Here's my latest issue..
When I activate the crop tool (I realize it's been rewritten.. not sure why), I see my current background color in place of what is visible in my current workspace. Ultimately, completing the crop command, it crops as expected, and the background color vanishes. What benefit is this? It adds confusion and makes me a bit confused as to what the final crop result will be. Why was this changed? Why am I seeing my current background color? It makes no sense. I've been using Photoshop for nearly 20 years and this is just dumb. Can anyone explain?
Thanks!
- Sean

Yeah, that was pretty vague. I was in a creative mode and was rudely interrupted by this weird change, so I wasn't focused on a clear post. The lack of direct email support to Adobe frustrated me also. Alas..
Bascially, I have a layer with some image data, and transparent regions:
I select the crop tool, and select a region just inside the outside edge, containing the portion of the image I care about:
The background switched from being transparent to my current background color selection. I had this green chosen for some completely unrelated task. I can't find anywhere that this can be disabled. The settings I have are what I believe to be the defaults:
And, when I change the crop settings to "Use Classic Mode", the behavior is the more sensible (in my opinion) current background:
I hope that clears up the confusion. I can't imagine any use case where replacing the current visible background with the current background color makes sense. If it's a feature, I can't find any documentation, official or otherwise, that explains why this is happening.
Yes, I like the latest versions of software, but since I made the jump from CS4 to CC, I've hit more bugs than ever before. I've had to kill Photoshop a couple times in the past two months, whereas before, it never froze up or crashed on me. This feels like a bug, but if it's a feature, I'd love to know how to use the new crop tool's background settings properly.
Cheers!
- Sean

LR 5.x crop tool bug: selection jumping on activation

Hi,
I did not see this reported, but I'd be rather surprised if nobody had noticed the issue before.
I'm seeing this behavior since I upgraded from LR 4 to LR 5. I think I did the upgrade with 5.3, but at 5.6 I still have the following problem:
After setting a cropping rectangle (usually with rotation), then change some settings (e.g. exposure, shadows, blacks, etc.) and then activate the cropping tool again, the displayed image jumps to the original frame size for half a second and then back to the previously set crop.
Since I usually go back to cropping only for small changes in rotation, this is especially annoying, because it irritates the eye in a way that I'm sometimes not even sure if I'm seeing my previous setting again. And then I have forgotten how I actually wanted to adjust the setting
This seems to me like a bug introduced in LR5. I'm using Lightroom since version 2 and never had this behavior until the upgrade to LR5.
I'm using Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, nvidia Graphics.
Steps to reproduce:
1) Open an image in the development module (I'm using Canon CR2 raws)
2) Set a cropping window
3) change some image settings, e.g. exposure
4) activate the cropping tool
Please fix this behavior.
Thanks,
Karsten

Thanks for the clarification. Too bad that the fix did not make it into LR 5.6.
I'm new here, so please apologize my beginners question: Is there a place where I can find bug reports that were accepted as known bugs? I tried the community search on cropping tool and did not find any related bugs.
Thanks,
Karsten

Why doesn't the Crop tool allow me to reverse the mouse axis?

Dearest Adobe,
When using the crop tool every axis is backwards! I know I'm supposed to move the photo, not the crop window, But for me this is not a matter of "correct" or "best practice", some people's brains do not work this way. I have been using lightroom for more than a year, and it still feels absolutely wrong every time. Please please please, I beg you, provide a reverse mouse axis checkbox.
I love Lightroom so much. Please help me...
With love,
Cody

The brain is incredibly flexible. But some people are left handed, some people are right handed. Some people have different dominant eyes, legs, arms.. etc. Part of learning a process is how it has been performed in the past, but another large part is the fastest and most reliable synapse. If a process "just feels wrong" that means my brain has already been trained or was wired a certain way to begin with.
The point of design is to create an intuitive interface that not only doesn't interfere, but enhances use of the interface. If I have to re-train my brain to work the way the tool wants me to think, then it is not as successful as it could be!
If you google: "Lightroom crop tool backwards" there are quite a few results with many people asking the same question.
All it needs is a preference item that reversed x and y direction for the crop tool and said: Crop Tool: Reposition the crop window/Reposition the photograph [x] [ ]
I know I'm not the only one!

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