Elements Organizer and Editor Image Differences?

I've noticed that the images displayed by Photoshop Elements Organizer are noticeable different from the display of the same image file by the Elements Editor. Why does this happen and is there a way to correct one or the other displays. Generally, the Organizer image appears to have more color saturation than when the image is viewed in the Editor. As a side note, the same image displayed in the Photoshop CS5 Editor appears to look about the same as it does in the Elements Editor.
Other information: I have a Windows 7 64-bit system with dual calibrated monitors. It does not matter which image appears on which monitor -- the PSE Organizer image always has greater color saturation.

That seems to be a reasonable explanation. Since a thumbnail does not have as much information as the actual file, it shouldn't be surprising that visual difference exist. I just wasn't expecting them to be quite so noticeable.

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Is Adobe ever going to fix this problem of the fonts not adjusting their size in both the organizer and the editor? The only option to alter the font seems to be to switch to a "System Font", but that option doesn't work. It doesn't change the font size at all, even if you turn off Aero and set the system font to 125%, the menu fonts don't change. In short, the software is not Windows compliant, afte how many years that Adobe has been making a windows version of this ptogram?
The default font size can't be read more than a foot or so away from the screen on today's pretty much standard 22" 1680x1050 LCD display. On top of that, who in their right mind thinks black text on a gray backgound effects 'contrast' rather than 'blend'?
I've searched the internet regarding this problem, and it seems to have persisted through multiple versions of this software, but has gotten worse through versions 7, 8 and 9 based on user numerous posts. Actually, it looks like Adobe just doesn't plan on addressing the problem at all.
Does anyone even get a response from Adobe when they post about this font issue? It doesn't look like it, as far as I can see.

That seems to be a reasonable explanation. Since a thumbnail does not have as much information as the actual file, it shouldn't be surprising that visual difference exist. I just wasn't expecting them to be quite so noticeable.

How do I make Organizer and Editor open at the same time?

I'm new to PSE 10 and want to know how to make Organizer and Editor open at the same time. I can get the Organizer up, but have to pick out a photo and click on Fix: Full Photo Edit to get Editor to open. Is that the only way to do it?
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K

Create Desktop shortcuts for the Organizer and the Editor:
The Editor's executable is:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Photoshop Elements 10\PhotoshopElementsEditor.exe"
The Organizer's executable is:
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I downloaded and installed Photoshop Elements & Premiere Elements. I then launched Photoshop Elements Organizer and imported approx. 28,000 photos (including some videos). A window opened indicating that many of the photos had tags, and asking if I want

I downloaded and installed Photoshop Elements & Premiere Elements. I then launched Photoshop Elements Organizer and imported approx. 28,000 photos (including some videos). A window opened indicating that many of the photos had tags, and asking if I wanted to add the tags. I said yes, and the process began. When it reached 60% a window opened indicating that "Elements 13 Organizer has stopped working", with the only option being to "Close program."
I've since tried to open organizer several times, but it goes immediately to "Elements 13 Organizer has stopped working". I was able to open Editor, and tried opening Organizer from Editor, but encountered the same problem.
FYI, I have an open case (#0214505556), but have not received the help I need.

This issue is with respect to Elements 13.

Contrast mismatch between Organizer and Editor

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Thanks for your quick response. I just checked out the settings in both the Editor and Organizer and they're both set on "let me decide". I'm not sure what to do on that one. I could go with optimizing the computer screen with sRGB, or the Adobe RGB for the printer, or no management, or decide on the fly. If I go with the computer, I guess I'd have to change it when I print a photo out, and vice versa. Have any suggestions for me? Thanks again.
New update. I have a Dell color laser printer, and I just checked the manual. It offers both sRGB and AdobeRGB. My priority is really to have a good printout. If I check sRGB I should be safe for either print or computer, but I'm wondering if I'd get as good a printout with sRGB as with AdobeRGB. The easiest might be to see what the printer is curently set on, and then set PSE Organizer and Editor to match it. I'll do that, and then see if that helps the mismatch between Organizer and Editor.

How many photos can you load into Organizer and Editor

How many photos can you load into Organizer and Editor at one time. I receive the error message, "Unable to Import Files", which says "You exceeded number of files that can be selecteed and imported at once...." What is the number? Secondly is there a way around this for either the Organizer or Editor to work on thousands of photos at the same time?
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I have never heard of this particular limit before.
Please understand, this appears to be the limit you can import into the Organizer at one time -- you can have as many photos as you want in the Organizer; but apparently you have to import in batches rather than all at once.
I don't think it applies to the editor; and I can't imagine wanting to have more then a few files in the editor at any one time ... even if you could open 2000 photos in the editor at once, what sense would that make?

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There is no standard field for faces. To transfer information you must put it in the standard place that the new program will use. That does not exist for faces. One work around would be to use keywords. You include the available metadata in a photo by checking all if the boxes when you export the photo(s). What the receiving program is determined by the authors of that program. All iPhoto can do is write what it offers to the IPTC & EXIF fields which it will
LN

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I have a windows PC with windows 8.1 and have had it for 13 months. I have PE 9 installed and have been using it without a single problem when out of the blue I can't open the Organizer. I can open the editor but not the organizer. When I attempt to open it I get this...Direct x is installed but can't be initiated. Please reboot your system and then relaunch Elements organizer. Obviously, I have done this many, many times. I have had two computer experts look through my computer for a total of 13 hours and neither one of them knows what the problem is. One of them thought the issue might be bad graphics driver but the other computer guy thought that was definitely not it.
The second technician thought it was a corrupt file somewhere in the catalog. We downloaded a trial version of PE 12 and tried to open that and it won't open either. Seriously at my wits end here. I'm willing to pay to have this fixed. I've already spent hundreds of dollars to no avail. Rest of the computer works flawlessly.
We have done everything that has been posted here on this topic without success. Rebuild the thumbnail cache, repair the catalog via the catalog manager, gone in and made sure that Direct x was actually turned on...it is! I'm truly expecting a miracle as this is basically my last resort. I have over 30,000 images and just don't know what to do. Clearly installiung a new program is not the answer as PE 12 trial version came up with the same issue. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

Hi,
Please try out the instructions mentioned by Vaishali in forum thread:
https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1388269?tstart=0
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Adobe Elements 11 Organizer and Importing images from camera.

I changed Adobe Elements version (from 10 to 11) and Brand New all-in-one Dell XPS computer that comes with Windows 8 as OS (From XP SP3) ... Now my import in Adobe Organzer gets stuck. Adobe Elements sees the camera, and compares the files on my camera to the photos in Organizer and knows how may are duplicates. I then select all the photos it finds as Non-Duplicates and tell it what directory to import into and select (Finish/Import) and it just sits there. I can change anything on that screen for options, but it really is locked up. I have to use Task Manager to end the task so that I can get back into Adobe Organizer. Maybe there is some kind of incompatibility with Windows 8 I am not aware of?

As you said "I am using this method as a bandaid, but this method will constantly copy all files (including old photos still on card) to a new folder. This means that I have the same photo being copied from my cameras memory to multiple locations. Not the best method (lots of clutter). "
This is not so. Importing photos using Watched Folders doesn't copy your photos to any other location.
Please empty your card and add 1-2 images to it. Now launch Photodownloader.exe from the location : C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Elements 11 Organizer
Post doing this, launch Organizer. Let's see if the import happens.
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I am running PSE 13 and am having a problem that the coloured busy wheel seems to take forever between tasks. I am shooting in raw, select a photo in organizer, convert to editor so I can process the raw file, then convert fro a jpeg for a photo book. It takes forever to go through this process compared to the time when I was using PSE 11 for the same tasks. Am I doing something wrong or is this new PSE 13 just plain slow. I am on a OS X version 10.8.5 on a MAC.

I would first try deleting the prefs: Go to your username>library>preferences and delete:
com.adobe.PhotoshopElements.plist
Adobe Photoshop Elements < version > Paths
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com.adobe.Elements Organizer. < version >.plist
com.adobe.ElementsOrganizer< version>.plist
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APP CRASH in 7.0 upon Opening Organizer and Editor - Vista - Help!

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Unfortunately, there are many reasons why the PSE Organizer might crash, and often it is hard to diagnose quickly the reason for the crash. Here are troubleshooting steps to try:
http://www.johnrellis.com/psedbtool/photoshopelements-6-7-faq.htm#_Troubleshooting_Organiz er_crashes
Given that both the Organizer and the Editor are crashing, start with step 4, installing the licensing-service update, and if that doesn't help, try the others. Even if you think you've tried something similar, repeat the step exactly as described.

Lightroom versus PhotoShop Elements Organizer and Bridge

This is directed to the Adobe Developer Team
I hope someone of the Developer team is reading this!!
For my understanding the three products out of one house (PhotoShop Elements Organizer, Bridge and Lightroom) doing about the same, should ...
work the same (same idea, same behaviour, organizing by path/subfolders instead of cataloges etc.)
maintain the same database and files (LR should recognize the collections from BR and Vice Versa, use the same cache files etc.) and should
be compatible to each other (e.g. Tags, Collections etc)
Actually I suggest ADOBE
to eliminate Organizer and integrate the good functions into BRIDGE (e.g. albums, upload to flickr, webpage generation etc)
give BRIDGE as the free of charge picture organizer to PS Elements and to PS CS
change LIGHTROOM into an payable upgrade of BRIDGE with enhanced functionality of the free of charge BRIDGE, (which can work as a stand-alone software as it does today
better integration of PSE, PS CS into Bridge/Lightroom (e.g. Panaorama function opens only PS CS but the version of PSE works much better, so I want to choose in the menu of Bridge/Lightroom)
I am really struggling with the three of them.
Beside that I suggest to get rid of the Catalog idea of Lightroom with it's import/export and synchronization needs and instead use or at least integrate the idea of BRIDGE to get pictures structured and organized by path and subfolders, as this is anyhow how the way pictures are stored already for most of us... I asume. I doubt that anybody just throw all files into one big subdirectory and get the organized into cataloges. But please keep collections as they are helpful to quickly collect some pictures to commonly work on them. by drag & drop. The Catalogues of LR drives me crazy but LR have a lot of nice functions (e.g. Webupload interfaces to flickr and others, nice noice reduction, nice albums and webpage functions, etc.)
Thanks
Merry X-Mas and a Happy New Year
Georg
PS: Please all of you comment your experience and opinion on this matter ... I am interested what you think about it.

Hi George,
Whereas Bridge and Photoshop Elements (and most non-LR users) base their organisation on the file / folder structure, Lightroom uses files / folders simply for storage - the catalog is used for organisation. This 'catalog based approach' provides far more flexibility, both in organisation, and in recording a complete, fully-reversible record of all edits made to each photograph.
To suggest that Adobe "get rid of the Catalog idea of Lightroom" and "get pictures structured and organized by path and subfolders" would remove almost ALL advantages Lightroom has over Bridge & PS Elements combined. To fully appreciate Lightroom, you need to appreciate that files and folders are not the only way to organise photos. Why not watch a few of the Adobe Lightroom Tutorial videos? This link below takes you to a video explaining about the Catalog;
http://tv.adobe.com/watch/george-jardine-on-lightroom/the-lightroom-catalog/
However, if you really want Adobe to hear your views, why not raise a Feature request with them, at this link below;
https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
I'm sure if you call your feature request 'Remove Catalog from Lightroom, and organise by Folders instead', it'll get noticed, as will any forum posts of the same name...
Cheers,
Alan

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Hi,
Today I when I opened my PSE 9 Organizer to select and edit some photots uploaded yesterday, when I selecrt3ed the photos and clicked Fix>Full Photo Edit menu, the Editor opened fine, BUT no photo appeared on the Editor as always. This is the first time this happens and I have been working for more than a year with PSE9 without any problems.
Now, in order to edit the selected photos on the organizer, once the Editor opens (showing no photo) i have to open the Editor´s Project Bin at the bottom and then select "show files selected in the organizer" and there they are, but this didn´t happened before.
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Thanks a lot Barbara,
Maybe I did not explain myself very well, but what I have been doing for a long time, was selecting one ...or several pictures for editing from within the organizer, and after the Editor opened, there was always a picture on the body of the Editor, ready to be edited, but NOT so anymore since today in the morning. It is not a big deal, because as I explained on my first post, now I have to look for the pictures in the Editor´s project bin and select the one I like to edit, but it is odd that this just happened today after almost two years of being working the other way.
Is there some way to repair the installation of PSE9?
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Elements saves files but organizer and editor loose them

Running Elements 12 on Win 7. I download files from SD card from camera to a subdirectory and they seem to get copied to two places at once. When I work with the files, they open from one of those places but edits save to the other and are not opened again. So, edits seem to disappear. I am unable to load them again without doubling them up in the catalogue.
I assume this is an error in the download (copying process but it is not obvious to me.
I have checked other files downloaded years ago into one folder and I am seeing the same error. I edit a file, save it, and close it and organizer doesn't know where it is. If I open the same file in editor, edit it again, and save it, editor knows this is the second edit, saves it, and organizer again does not find it. Even though checking shows it is saved to the same directory.

In that same window there should be a series of buttons where you choose to see PSE options, PRE options or both.
EDIT However, I doubt you can make this work. Hardly anybody would do it this way, so it's not surprising that PSE isn't set up for it, but FWIW, it's also a problem with things like certain versions of PS with particular versions of organizer.

Elements Organizer and Photoshop Elements Editor

This question was posted in response to the following article: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshopelements/using/WS287f927bd30d4b1f-7f40da1412e28ac0819 -7fec.html

Barbara B. wrote:
jadco32, the organizer is just a database. It doesn't make duplicates (unless you use the import from iphoto command on a mac). That's also an advantage of using version sets: instead of creating a complete image, each version exists as essentially just a set of directions to PSE until you ask for that particular version, so this also saves a lot of space.
Barbara,
It's exceptionally rare when I don't agree with you...
But on that one, there must be a confusion : the creation of version sets does really create a modified copy of the original file.
Creating a set of directions is the way you can edit files in ACR or Lightroom : (parametric edition).
In practice :
You open a raw or jpeg file in ACR in PSE, use the sliders to get the desired rendition, then you click 'Done'. No edited duplicate has been created.
Your edits are saved and you don't lose any important disk space, since the edits are stored in a tiny .xmp sidecar file.
But if you click 'Open' and edit/save the picture, a version set is created : a modified copy linked to the original.
You can have many 'versions' of an original : for printing, the web, black and white, with filter effects... It's always easy to find the original and your workspace can show only one version to show more different pictures in the browsing space for quicker visual selection.

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