Elements Organizer v. iPhoto

Hello,
This is my first visit to this forum. I am trying to get the hang of Elements 11, and hope to discuss issues about it in this forum as I go along.
I have a MacBook Pro, which came with iPhoto. While I will be learning and using the excellent tools of Elements Editor, I find its Organizer a bit constricting. I’m wondering if it would work if I use Elements Editor for photo editing, and iPhoto for photo management, e.g. storing and filing the photos. I don’t know if that would too much of a hassle.
Any thoughts of the question?
Thanks.
Surma

Hi Surma
Yes you can use iPhoto in that way. You can set up the PSE11 Editor application as the external editor to edit photos directly from iPhoto. Go to iPhoto preferences - see link below:
http://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop-elements/kb/photoshop-elements-iphoto-mac-os.html

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