EMac Freeze still

I find myself in the same boat as those using these 1.25 Ghz eMac's, and getting very frustrated.
I find this to be quite a puzzler, have tried all sensible propsects to bring this to a conclusion.Yes, it started with the appearence of "the unrepairable permissions". Even if it involves changing the logic board.... I'm in this for the distance. Everybody that I 've seen responding have reported that this trouble BEGAN approx. 1 month ago. Me too. The January sotware update seems to have instigated this trouble. My computing world was on quite an even keel until THAT update was made. NO freezing = smooth running OS X.3.9 right up to that point.
Have attempted MANY suggested "work-arounds". Ran Apps to isolate = to no avail!! (all is well) Ran applejack, ran memtest. Update ATI driver
Yes, it does appear to get better just after running the radeon ATI updater. But, it still froze while saving a edit to a 3 meg AIFF file with SoundStudio this morning.
I'll be watching the discussions for the days to come, it sure looks as if there are quite a few folks out there in this mess.........

I've noticed that some one has said the answer has been found....
in the "using your eMac" forum area, the star is applied to the posting about the freezing video display.... ???
So, what ? is it some kind of general consensus that the logic board replacement must be what the answer is?
I've read thru all the responses several times, I can only assume that this is what somebody figured is the reason and said "yep, there's the answer !"
I guess all I can do is , STILL, register my complaint with Apple and keep hoping.
The freezing up has improved dramatically after udating the ATI Radeon video (drivers?)....crap
Where as I would freeze several (20 to 30 times) daily, today I have had only 2 happen today. (so, far) I'll be checking the Olympics this evening, we'll see what happens then.

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