Emagic Logic Control jog wheel...

My logic control is was working fine; and then poof - No v pots and no jog wheel - mackie suggested i delete a preferences file; which has bought my v pots back to life...However the jog wheel and the timeline still misbehave...
The line skips back and forth between a couple of bars...and moves forwards jumping backswards and forwards if i spin the wheel really quickly...if, when the line is further into the track i move the jog normal scrolling pace it runs the line backwards towards zero; speed it up and it jumps all over the place.
I rang apple but the wanted to charge me £144.99 for phone advise - so im begging someone here to help me if you can...
Many thanks Dave

its not showing in my audio midi set up - but never has previously...but the device it connects via does show up - From what was said in the quick start guide, you only have to add it as a control surface within logic...Where logic already has the relevant driver; waiting to be selected from a list...As for updating anything; I havn't touched a thing. It was literally a case of one day, everything worked; the next day it didn't - mackie said logic had made a corrupt preference file (user/whatever your user nameis/library/preferences/logic) that their would be a file named should be something like
(Com.apple.logic.pro.CS) which there was, and to drag the file to the trash then restart the
computer...This did work to an extent; the 'v-pot' part of the control which had stopped working came back to life and everything now works fine...accept the jog/timeline issue...
I have added it in Audio Midi set up...in the hope that it will help - What properties should I set it to have? anything special - Appologies for seeming dense, I just make music; normally things just seem to have worked! And my technical knowledge is somewhat lacking im affraid.
Thanks for your help - it really is appriciated
Dave

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