Embed original RAW file in DNG?

Is there any way to set the DNG conversion in Lightroom to embed the orginal RAW file upon import (similar to how it works in the DNG converter program that is put out by Adobe)? It appears that the Lightroom DNG converter will only convert the RAW file to DNG without embedding the original...any suggestions or comments??? Thank you in advance.

Maybe I've misunderstood the question or else I'm missing something here.
I have Adobe's standalone DNG converter on my Desktop which I used to use previously, and yes, there is an option of embedding the original RAW file which I chose to use. At the end of the day this process produced on file - the dng - and buried within it was the original RAW.
I had reservations about LR's convert to dng process in the beginning but am now beginning to see the advantages of it. When I convert my RAW file to dng I now get 2 files in the original image folder - one being the ORIGINAL Raw image, the second the dng conversion. So now I have the best of two worlds, and although it takes up more HD than previous I'm beginning to like it this way. Some posts on this issue seem to imply that in the conversion to dng process the original Raw is somehow being lost and this quite simply isn't the case.

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No option to keep original Raw file?

What happened to the option to keep original Raw files in File Handling Preferences? I see that you can still embed them, but I'd still like to have the original NEFs.

But that does not mean that you import the NEFs into LR, you just have a backup option in case something happend with your DNG-conversion into LR-catalog.
(Which is fine for me as well, as I never intend to revert to Nikon proprietary software.)

How to remove an embedded RAW file from DNG?

During my early phases of experimenting with Lightroom's support for DNG, I ticked the Embed RAW Image option in Preferences. Unfortunately, this meant that the resulting DNG was, compared with the original CRW, about 3 times the size. I've since ceased embedding RAW files into the DNG, so now the DNGs are roughly 10% smaller than the CRWs, which is quite a result.
My question is: for the DNGs where I embedded the RAW image, how can I remove that image and reclaim all that wasted space?

Use the convert to dng (yes, you can do this on dng files!) function and make sure to uncheck the embed original RAW option but keep the rest default (yes to lossless compression and make sure you have preserve RAW image instead of convert to linear set. You can do this directly in lightroom or using the dng converter app.

Importing, copyping raw files as DNG files - copy to location choice, and more ???

First:
When I copy raw files as DNG files, the right hand pane shows where the copies will be placed. (I use Windows 7) I do not have much of a choice, and cannot set a default. The default choice is "My Pictures" on the C: drive. I have an Solid State Drive, SSD, and do NOT store my photos on that small, 256Gb drive. I store my images on an internal hard drive.
All i want to do is set the default "Copy To" location to where I store my images. I would like to copy them to the original folder, in a separate folder (for example, LR DNG). Instead, I have to open the SSD, find the files, and copy them to my preferred location. This is very irritating.
Second:
Worst, it appears that the Copy function puts the copied images into multiple folders. I had 11 images from raw files that were put into three separate folders. That seems quite silly to me. It causes me to do more work opening the folders and copying them to the root folder. That is very irritating. What is going on here?
can these two issues be resolved? Thanks, in advance.

My apologies. I thought it would open the selected folder and reveal the images to be converted. That would be the most obvious thing to do, but it does not behave that way. I made a couple folders with test images, CR2 and RW2, and the converter converted them.
Again, the navigation was funky, inconvenient, but it works. i complain because we pay a lot of money to use Adobe products, they have huge resources, and they seem to release products that have obvious flaws, especially navigation. Maybe they just hate Microsoft. Sorry for the rant.
Thanks for getting me to use DNG converter.

Do I need to keep my xmp files after converting my raw files to dng?

I originally set up Lr to automatically build xmp files. Recently, I decided to go with dng files and have converted all my raw files to dng. Can I now delete all my xmp files and change my Lr setting so xmp files are no longer automatically produced?

WDKlein1000 wrote:
I think I've got this straight. My goal is to keep the xmp data with the image file (embedded into the file in the case of dng files) as well as in the Lr catalog. I still need to auto (or manually) save xmp files in order for Lr to save the xmp data internally to the dng file. Right?
Perfectly right.
WDKlein1000 wrote:
I've been converting to dng after I have done my initial Lr processing of the raw files and the sidecar files have already been produced. When I convert to dng, the side car files aren't automatically deleted.
I *think* if you say: do not delete previous raw, it keeps both xmp and original raw files. However, if you say: delete original raws upon conversion, it will delete both raw files and xmp sidecars. In other words, they are treated as a unit. So I suspect your raw files are not being deleted either, right? Note: if this is the case, then whenever you sync your folders, it's gonna wanna pull in all the original raws again. If it were me, rather than deleteing the xmp and leaving the sibling raws, I'd move both to a backup.
WDKlein1000 wrote:
I wonder if the sidecar files would ever be produced if I imported with the option to convert to dng and then wouldn't ever be editting the raw files?
They would not. If you know you are going to prefer DNG, it seems prudent to convert upon import.
WDKlein1000 wrote:
I know the sidecar files are relatively small, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to go back and delete them once the xmp data is embeded in the dng files. Right?
Right again - delete away...
UPDATE: I didn't see AR's previous post when I wrote this, sorry for redundancy.
Rob

ACR Makes Changes to Original RAW File

I think Ive seen this explained before, but it didnt, and still doesnt make any sense to me. Whenever I open a RAW image in ACR and make changes, including saving as a jpg to another folder, all the changes are made in my RAW file. Why does ACR do this? I keep reading that ACR does not do this, but it does (seem) to do this. The fix is to open the RAW image back up in ACR after I have saved the jpg, and undo all the changes. I shouldnt have to do this, and no other software Ive used to process RAW images does this. Im Baffled.
By the way, Im new to CS3, but come from years of using Paint Shop Pro and Nikon Capture.

Okay, it looks like I need to clarify my oxymoronic statement. First of all, I need to stipulate that I use XMP files with my raw images when I use the original original raw files and not DNG files. And since this is the Camera Raw forum I was talking specifically about raw images. So in that context of how I use raw files, the raw file is not changed at all. The metadata changes are stored in the external XMP file and the original raw file remains unchanged. I might be wrong, but I have assumed that this is the way most people have their workflow established. But maybe I am wrong.
In the case of DNG files, ACR is able to write the metadata to the header of the DNG file without altering the picture data. Hopefully this will clarify my statement.
Yes, I also realize that Pentax and some other camera makers offer DNG as a native raw format. The same DNG statement that I made applies to those images as well.

After reinstalling CS6 the bridge photo downloader isn't able to read raw files and fails to convert the raw files to DNG. Previously downloaded raw files, now DNG, open up successfully in Camera Raw 7. How do I get the photo downloader to read and conver

After reinstalling CS6 the bridge photo downloader isn't able to read raw files and fails to convert the raw files to DNG. Previously downloaded raw files, now DNG, open up successfully in Camera Raw 7. How do I get the photo downloader to read and convert raw files. MacBook Pro with Snow Leopard. No such problem before this reinstallation.

You should install Camera Raw 4.6.
Visit this page and follow the instructions carefully:
PC: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=4040
Mac: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=4039
-Noel

I have accidentally deleted a large number of develped images in Lightroom before I did a backup. I reimported the original raw files back into Lightroom hoping the develop settings would be re-established but no luck. Notice system mau have done an auto-

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I have accidentally deleted a large number of develped images in Lightroom before I did a backup. I reimported the original raw files back into Lightroom hoping the develop settings would be re-established but no luck. Notice system mau have done an auto-backup as have an lrcat-journal file. Can I use this to restore my develop settings. I also have jpgs generated from all the deleted images.

Hello,
if you have a backup of your catalog you can do the following:
1. Backup your catalog first
2. Restore your backup catalog to some location
3. Open your current catalog and select "files->import from another catalog".
4. Select your backup catalog and your lost images. LR ask you if you want to overwrite the current settings or save them as a virtual copy.
As an alternativ you can open your backup catalog, select the "lost" images and save the development settings as xmp sidecar fiels (using ctrl-s). Then open your current catalog, seletct the images and use "Metadata->Read Metadata from files".

Looking for answers on XMP files - where should they be stored as sidecar files? With the original raw file or in a separate folder?

Looking for answers on XMP files - where should they be stored as sidecar files? With the original raw file or in a separate folder?
Relatively new user of Adobe LR5 and PS CC, about a year old.
If they should be stored somewhere beside the folder that contains the originals, where and how to change the settings?
If I choose to write metadata to the original files, is that sidecar files or does the XMP file show separately?
To be honest, I usually find a video and I cannot figure this out. I have never received an answer on any of my questions by the way.

Hi there,
You answered a prior question from me so I wanted to reach out to you about this. I just need a step by step on how, if possible, to View LRCC on my MacBookPro when the main interface is on my iMac

Random Original RAW files unavailable in managed library. :(

I've had an Aperture library that has traveled with me through all of the various updates (up to and include 3.4.3), but now in random projects (and most but not all photos) the original RAW file isn't available, only the preview. The problem, is that now I can't edit or even export the photos. I recently went through a whole "corrupt library" restore from a vault that I keep up to date, but now I'm going to try to rebuild the database.
Very disconcerning. Hopefully there is a simple cause and remedy someone can help me with.

Thanks for the reply! I went through all three first aid steps over the last two days (in increasing order), so first was permissions, then repair, then rebuild the database. I haven't updated the vault since I noticed this issue a few days ago, but I don't know how long it's been going on.
Also, I opened the library file by showing the package contents, and navigated to a masters file folder that I could compare to the viewer, and if you look at the screenshot below, IMG_4870.CR2 is the first RAW file in the folder. It then skips two files (IMG_4871 and IMG_4872) which both show the yellow "!" icon in the viewer, then the next raw file is IMG_4873. What this tells me, is that, in fact, the RAW files really DON't exist in the folder of that import.
Is there a way to browse the contents of the vault without restoring? I'm also thinking I might restore the library from the vault to a different drive to see if the RAW files are there. Lastly, I'm going to check my Backblaze backup to see if the RAW files are there.
For future reference, I'm going to set up a mirrored RAID drive set and do a live backup of the masters during the import.
I REALLY hope I can recover the originals from this...

Aperture 3 Processes Original RAW Files into a Grainy Mess

I just installed Aperture 3, updated to 3.0.3, and imported a few of my photos (taken with a Sony Alpha) from iPhoto 09 and a few from a Canon 5D Mk II. My iPhoto Edited, Raw files process, load, and the original appears. However, my Original RAW files continue to process and look extremely grainy. What can I do?

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Associate original Raw files with JPEGs tagged with metadata?

Before the advent of Aperture, I used to use Adobe Camer Raw (ACR) to do all my raw conversions, and save the settings in sidecar XMP files. Then for 10-20% of the files, I'd do some more processing in Photoshop and generate PSDs. These were all my master files (raw + PSD).
That was fine as far as it went, but it didn't allow any serious organizing or searching capability.
So I would do a batch export of highest quality JPEGs of all these master files, and import those into iPhoto. I'd then rate, keyword, comment, and organize the photos in iPhoto. If I ever wanted to go back and make a 13x19-inch print, I'd use iPhoto to find the file (via metadata such as keywords, date, album, comments, etc.), then use that filename to go back and find the original raw (or PSD) file and print from that.
Of course, aperture obviates the need to have 2 independent sets of images like that for new images.
However, what if I want to bring my old images into Aperture? I'll import the iPhoto library, and get the benefit of all the metadata tagging (ratings, keywords, etc.), but still have to go back to and separately import the directories of original raw files. But then the JPEGs and the raws are not associated in any way.
I have not changed any filenames, so the JPEGs and raws have exactly the same filenames except for their extension. Is there any way in Aperture to associate them with each other, or automatically apply the metadata from the JPEGs to the raw files? An Automator action maybe?
Thanks for any assistance.

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So I would do a batch export of highest quality JPEGs
of all these master files, and import those into
iPhoto. I'd then rate, keyword, comment, and organize
the photos in iPhoto. If I ever wanted to go back and
make a 13x19-inch print, I'd use iPhoto to
find the file (via metadata such as keywords,
date, album, comments, etc.), then use that filename
to go back and find the original raw (or PSD) file
and print from that.
<...>
I did a fairly similar thing, as I think did a lot of people.
However, what if I want to bring my old images into
Aperture? I'll import the iPhoto library, and get the
benefit of all the metadata tagging (ratings,
keywords, etc.), but still have to go back to and
separately import the directories of original
raw files. But then the JPEGs and the raws are not
associated in any way.
I have not changed any filenames, so the JPEGs and
raws have exactly the same filenames except for their
extension. Is there any way in Aperture to associate
them with each other, or automatically apply the
metadata from the JPEGs to the raw files? An
Automator action maybe?
Well, I have an idea that might help...
Try importing both JPG and RAW files into the same project. Then view all the files in the project, and auto-stack... sicne the JPG and RAW files were taken together they should group, I am guessing in the same way for all of them (RAW on one side of the stack, JPG on the other).
Once you figure out which side is which in the stacks, use the Lift & Stamp tool to copy settings from each JPG into the RAW version. To make this quicker, select either the Lift or Stamp tool from the tool bar (I'd reccomend lift) and then hold down the Option key to change the tool into a stamp tool on the fly. Thus the process would be, click on a JPG to Lift, hold down option and click on the adjoining RAW to stamp. Repeat for each image, using the Project management view which is all thumbnails. Kind of manual but you should be able to finish quickly.
Good luck with the project.

Aperture exports jpeg files larger than original RAW files

Can anyone tell me why a RAW file (10.6mb), when exported as a jpeg (10.8mb) from Aperture ends up larger than the original RAW file. The same RAW file when opened and then saved as a jpeg (6.4mb) in Photoshop is a lot smaller. The photo dimensions and resolution are the same in both saved files (34.5mb open file 300dpi 4256 x 2831 pix). I have tried this on several photos, all with similar results. For information I am saving the photos in both Photoshop and Aperture at 300dpi, original size and at a quality setting of 12. In these examples/tests I have done no work to the photos, obviously the file sizes increase after work has been carried out on the photos (in both Ps & Aperture)
Almost doubling the size of saved jpegs has a massive implication on my library and may be one reason to consider Adobe Lightroom as this gives similar jpeg file sizes as Photoshop, i.e. almost half the size of the original RAW file
Reducing the quality setting on saved jpegs is an obvious way to reduce file size, but not answering the question of the considerable discrepancy when saving to the same quality in different software
Is this a feature of Aperture and nothing can be done about it ? I would prefer to use Aperture but cannot cope with the large jpeg sizes !
Any comments would be much appreciated - thank you
Nick

Think you might be right Allen - The 12 quality saved jpegs seem to be pretty high quality, closer to the original than maybe the files saved in Ps at quality 12. I have just run an identical set of processing actions on all the files in Photoshop and the jpegs previously saved in Aperture at 12, 11 and even 8 quality settings seem to be better than the same files saved at 12 in Ps
Bizarrely the file size drops from 10.6mb at quality setting 12 in Aperture, to 3.2mb when saved just one notch down at quality setting 11 in Aperture. That is a massive drop, esp considering the next one down, saving at quality 10 results in a 2.8mb file
rw just ran some checks and tests on the file export settings and file sizes in Aperture, on a file I sent him, and we get the same results. So at least my version of Aperture is not up the wall !!
Would be useful to have the explanations from Apple as to the vast variance in settings and file sizes, but I guess we will just have to keep guessing - and buying more and more hard drives for all the large files
I am considering keeping the RAW originals in future, and I suppose in this case I need only save smaller jpegs, and issue at whatever size they are needed at the time - just needs a bit of planning to look after an ever increasing collection, which is about to have two sets of images added at a time now. Added to the already amassed 80 000 images at last count !)
Thanks
Nick

Unable to covert raw files to dng?

using photo cs 3 ,unable to convert raw files to dng?

Make sure you have the latest version of ACR for CS3 installed. I seem to remember it was something like ACR 4.6. Check and see if it can save DGN conversions. I don't use DNG format for its not as well supported as manufactures raw formats.
You can always download the latest DNG converter or a version 4 DNG converter http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106&platform=Windows

ACR in PSE8 - losing original RAW file

I've just upgraded from Elements 5 to 8...
I am quite happy with using RAW files and all went smoothly using ACR in PSE5, however, it appears that somewhere, somehow, ACR 5.5 or the Editor in PSE 8 are saving settings when I ask it not to save any. It has overwritten two of my original RAW files despite me asking it not to!
The process:
from Organiser, I choose editing in Elements Editor
ACR opens the file and I make changes to settings including a crop
I choose "open image" and it takes me into Editor
I decide I don't want to retain any of the changes I have made, so I hit the "close" button - it asks me if I want to save, i say "no"
Back in Organiser, the orginal RAW image has been cropped and altered!
Thankfully it's only been two relatively unimportant shots so far, but this could have been disastrous.
How do I discard all changes and get back to my original RAW file? Do I have to do something different in PSE8?
Your help would be most welcome
Thanks

Thanks for your replies and hints.
I was really worried that things had changed dramatically between versions of PSE/ ACR.
I will check out the .xmp thing - I am sure you are right, i definitely haven't saved anything of my own accord.
It was the terror of seeing an altered file in Organiser that set me in a panic.
*breathes deeply*
All will be well!
Many thanks again

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