Embedded PDF fonts in Illustrator

Hello,
I am using ESRI's program 'ArcMap 9.3' to create some GIS maps and they have an option to embed fonts into the PDF when you export a map as such. These fonts seem to read correctly in Acrobat Pro as the embedded fonts but when I open the same PDF in Illustrator the fonts do not show up and I get a warning saying the fonts are not available.
Is there anything I might be overlooking in Illustrator where it won't read an embedded font? I'm using Illustrator CS3 for this. Also of interest, the PC version of Illustrator CS2 will read the embedded fonts without problem! It is making this a huge mystery for me!
Thanks for the help!
-Andy

What needs clarification?
Illustrator could never open a pdf to edit and use the embedded fonts of the pdf. You must have the fonts loaded on your system.
If you create a blank artboard and
link place the pdf, the pdf will retain the fonts when saved out.
Once you embed the pdf while the document is open, you need the fonts loaded on your system in order to work with and view the text.

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I am a graphic designer and I use InDesign 5.5.
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On behalf of Adobe Systems Incorporated ...
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I can export the Acrobat "Comments" (text highlights, but not markups?) to a FDF file
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Quite clunky, but it seems to maintain exact registration (although for some reason, whenever I place an object in either Illustrator or Photoshop I need to move (transform) the object corner to 0,0 because it is typically off by a pixel or 2). Not sure if there is a way to also export PDF "Markups", but my objective was to use Acrobat's highlighting tools combined with Illustrator's vector graphic tools for markups, so even if I can only export the Acrobat text highlights and not the "Markups", I can still achieve my objective.
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I have also noted that I can print an Acrobat file to PDF to capture the text highlights, but that method introduces problems with registration and transparency (the white paper background). I'll often print my final output to PDF rather than saving to achieve a small flat file that will render consistently on different computers, but in this case registration is important so it is better to save to PDF and live with the larger files size.
Why all the fuss? Acrobat is good at highlighting text and Illustrator is good at drawing stuff like curvy paths with variable strokes. Illustrator also has layers and stacking order control. (Acrobat has clunky wannabe layers that are good for limited stuff like multiple versions, but not much help with graphic composition or stacking order). I need workflows that can merge tools from multiple programs (Acrobat, Photoshop, Illustrator, Autocad, and Solidworks). I could do my vector markups in Illustrator, then save to PDF and do the highlights in the final Acrobat file, but if I need to change the vector graphics later I would lose the highlights. Doing the highlights in a separate PDF file and then exporting to a FDF file lets me make changes in Illustrator without having to recreate the highlights from scratch.
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