Embedding ICC-profiles in pdf

I'm having problems getting InDesign to embed the ICC-profiles for CMYK images when exporting a PDF/X-3 from either CS5 or CS 5.5.
The RGB images all have the correct ICC-profiles, but the CMYK images only show as CMYK in PitStop.
Any ideas how to get this working properly?
I want to use Enfocus PitStop Connect to flightcheck the PDF before sending it to out ftp-server, but due to the ICC-profiles not being embedded properly all files receive an error.

Thanks Shulin but I've already downloaded the acrosdk. The samples work based on plug in functionality to acrobat i.e. they call an api when acrobat runs. I want to write to the pdf file from my own C++ program which is only linked with the XMP toolkit as opposed to a plug-in. I am looking for the same kind of information that was supplied for JPG, TIFF by Adobe, only for PDF.
I've checked the knowledgebase as you suggested and this information is not there.
What are the data structures that need to be modified to stick the XMP packet into a pdf file. Can I just append it to the end of the file?
Steve

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