Encore CS3 subtitles won't default to "off"

I'm using Encore CS3, and have a couple of subtitle tracks, but want the default to be "subtitle off" and despite my setting the disk build properties to "Subtitle: Off", the disk, when created (and even in the Encore preview windows), the subtitle always defaults to playing the first subtitle track.  I don't want the viewers to have to turn off the subtitles every time they view the DVD.  The "Play" button for the program on the main menu is set to "Subtitle: No Change". So, unless I go and turn the subtitles on, the DVD should theoretically play with subtitles OFF, right?
Now, I can force the "Play" link to play the track with subtitles off, but then that prevents the viewers from turning the subtitles on via the subtitles menu (which throws back to the "Play" link, which would then turn the subtitles back OFF when it's hit.)
I suppose I could create a separate identical copy of the main menu, the "First Play" one with the subtitles forced "off," and then one that the subtitle selection menu can throw back to, that is set at "No Change", but that all seems kind of unnecessarily circuitous.
So far the only other "workaround" I can think of is to make the first subtitle track a blank track, and then put the "real" subtitles on tracks 2 & 3.  But that seems like kind of a cheap workaround.
Anyone have any insights?  Thanks!

Hello.
You don't actually mention if this problem occurs in preview or in a real player.
If in preview - what happens on a real disc?
if on a real player, is the player perhaps set to have a default subtitle language? I ran across this on a recent project & had to force subtitles to default off on the disc, as the player insisted on displaying subtitles because it's firmware had set it's language as "English".

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