Encore Menu sizes for PAL widescreen SD

Premier Pro CS 5.5 (v5.5.2)
Encore CS5 (v5.1.0.342)
Photoshop CS (v8.0)
Hi all
Bit of a NOOB question I'm afraid, but it sure is befuddling me! (NOOB to Encore that is, but an old hand at DVD authoring)
According to the Encore documentation, PAL widescreen SD menus should be created 720x576 pixels, 1.42 pixel aspect ratio... this seems perfectly logical and is what I've done many times in the past when creating menus for my main DVD authoring app (DVDLab Pro).
However, when editing PAL widescreen SD menus from within Encore in Photoshop, the pixel aspect ratio is set to 1.458. Indeed, within Premiere Pro all SD widescreen options are shown using a pixel aspect ratio of 1.458.
Is the documentation incorrect, or have I been missing something fundamental all these years?
Would appreciate anybodys thoughts & observations on this...
Tim

You have discovered a "bug" in the Encore documentation. The actual menus in the library are correct, but what help says about them is wrong.
The "about creating menus in ps"
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/encore/cs/using/WS2C3F3ABD-6457-4ca0-898F-720B7E3D0C10.html
and the par info page:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/encore/cs/using/WSbaf9cd7d26a2eabfe807401038582db29-7fb2a.html
are wrong - they use the old pars.
Here are the correct pars from Premiere help:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/premierepro/cs/using/WS03BF7479-8C7B-4522-8C75-210AD102524Ea.h tml

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