End of my Tether with Broadband fault at the excha...

Evening All,
I've reached the end of the line it seems with BT technical support and Im now heading for a deadlock situation. Heres a bit of background from the past 7 weeks or so to try and outline the problem I've got, whether it inspires any suggestions from the community as to how to proceed or potentially makes others aware of the tragic failings of this massive organisation in the semi rural areas across the country.
Had a new line installed as part of home move order which was placed 3 weeks in advance of our move. The engineer attended on the 31st July 2013 to install our phone line. We had a new line from the telegraph pole in the street wired directly to a newly installed socket in our living room. This is the only socket in the house. Unfortunately, the phone line did not work for calls, and I had to raise a fault with BT immediately. By the 5th August we had a working phoneline after finding several faults on what was a newly installed and tested line. Good work engineer #1. I then phoned BT back to say I wanted the broadband component of the homemove order fulfilling. I was told that I would need to phone again to get this once the phone line was installed as they couldnt raise the broadband order against a line which didnt yet exist. I found this slightly frustrating but liveable as I was told it would only be 48 hours from placing the order to having the service activated.
I phoned BT again on the 9th because my broadband had still not been activated. I was told the order had an error and had not been placed. My order was then expedited and filled on the 10th to activate my services. By this point I thought “great” as it seemed the ordeal was over.
Once the connection was enabled, I noticed the speed was very slow to use. My homehub indicated a sync speed to the exchange of 8mbit downstream and 0.45mbit upstream. After the first 3 days had passed and the line training should have been complete I ran the BT wholesale speed test to reveal my line had a 2mbit profile assigned to it. I phoned BT again who informed me of the problem and offered to reset the IP profile which would then lead up to the full line potential within another few days. For a period of 3-4 days this produced results at a maximum of about 6.5mbit, even though my sync speed to the exchange still showed 8mbit downstream. At this point it seemed to be resolved as much as it would so I considered closing the fault out. The same evening I noticed the speeds started degrading, to the point where the connection was completely unusable (a few kbit). I could not even ping a basic site.
I phoned BT again and they offered to send an engineer once I had convinced them of my competence to plug a router, microfilter and phone into the only socket in the house. The engineer turned up, completed the checks within the property and found the line to be fine in terms of noise/gain/etc etc. He surmised that the problem was within the exchange and bounced the issue back to wholesale. I was not informed of the results and BT helpfully offered to close out the fault because no fault was found. This is even though my connection was still fully useless.
I then phoned BT several more times going through the same infuriating conversations. Another engineer was produced. He did the same again.
We then repeat this same process a few more times. Sometimes the connection worked between engineer visits, sometimes it did not. However the same fault emerges over the course of a couple of days and we start the loop again.
I am now in the lap of the UK based resolutions team in Newcastle. However, they are not getting anywhere with BT wholesale who are still not recognising and resolving the exchange based fault. The really frustrating thing is that this is not just affecting myself. There are at least 7 other customers in the same exchange complaining of the same fault. BT have not recognised these may all be related and have been sending engineers out the tackle the individual problems of us incompetent customers setting up our routers incorrectly. However this is now turning out not to be the problem, and it is in fact the exchange. But BT broadband aren't getting anywhere with wholesale who seem to be refusing/unwilling/incapable to accept that the fault is within the network.
I am 7 weeks into this fault and hence heading for the stage where I will be requesting a deadlock letter from BT to take to the ombudsman. I have no ADSL alternatives at the exchange, being in a semi-rural area and BT is the only supplier in the area. Basically, I can either stick with BT on a connection which works intermittently and occasionally, or look at a more expensive laggy satellite system. However, this seems a tad unfair as I have plenty of neighbours enjoying the 8mbit max speeds in the area. Also, the exchange is under consideration for fibre upgrade so others in the area will be enjoying even more modern age tech, the unlucky few will still be getting ignored by BT as it suppose its difficult to fix all of the problems so if a few customers are left out, who cares?
I have requested multiple times that someone pick up this issue and own it to resolution because we, the BT customers, are paying for the incompetence of the whole organisation to resolve faults in a fair and reasonable time scale in a number of engineer visits befitting the problem. This seems to be falling in deaf ears. I have requested multiple times that the issue be escalated to avoid going round the same loop. That seems to fall of deaf ears also. The same team of BT resolution personnel are bouncing the same issue round and round to try and stop the issue escalating. One person told me the issue would be passed onto the tier 2 manager but that was a week ago and I've since heard nothing more.
I've guestimated that I've had at least 7 engineer visits to either the property or exchange on behalf of my fault. I know of 7 other people in the same boat (I know this because our local post office has a list of known broadband “problem” customers) who will have arguable had a similar number of engineer visits over the course of their faults or complaints. So I would round up to 50 visits to the one fault which hasn't fixed it. Thats at least £5000 wasted, going on BT's charge to customers for a wasted engineer visit at £99.
I feel its a very sad situation that the small percentage of “difficult” problems such as mine are being kept under wraps in order to conceal the multiple failings of this thoroughly salami sliced organisation which Im sure presented plenty of opportunities for statistics to become lost. Not to mention glorious overheads of multiple engineer visits.
So there it is, I have 7 days before the 8 weeks are up and I involve the ombudsman. I have got no where with BT on any front and my fault is still being thoroughly contained by the faults team as they are completely unwilling to raise a serious complaint about the handling of the case while the faults is still existing. A very clever trick which I presume waits for the satisfied customer to develop before receiving feedback on their wonderful experience.
So if anyone reading this happens to be a BT employee/share holder/director feel free to offer up suggestions on how to progress this anywhere. And anyone else reading this – if there is any alternative provider for services in your area, I would use them. BT will not help.
Apologies for the increasing sarcastic tone but reliving the situation in word form is even more laughable as a state in the year 2013. I had broadband 10 years ago that was faster and more stable.
Kind regards
Matt
Kirkby-in-Furness
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    Had OpenReach 5 engineer visits. Changed my internal wiring onto a different pair with a completely different routing, changed the wiring from the CAB to the exchange to a different pair and done a lift and shift to a different face at the exchange. None of which have had any effect. Faceplate has been changed to a MK3.
    Router log shows the following :
    07:24:09, 02 Jan.
    ( 171.500000) CWMP: session completed successfully
    07:24:09, 02 Jan.
    ( 171.300000) CWMP: HTTP authentication success from https://pbthdm.bt.mo
    07:24:05, 02 Jan.
    ( 167.950000) CWMP: Server URL: https://pbthdm.bt.mo; Connecting as user: ACS username
    07:24:05, 02 Jan.
    ( 167.940000) CWMP: Session start now. Event code(s): '1 BOOT,4 VALUE CHANGE'
    07:23:39, 02 Jan.
    wlan1: STA c0:f2:fb:7e:c3:ed IEEE 802.11: Client associated
    07:23:34, 02 Jan.
    ( 136.720000) CWMP: session closed due to error: WGET TLS error
    07:23:32, 02 Jan.
    ( 135.010000) NTP synchronization success!
    07:23:27, 02 Jan.
    ( 129.990000) NTP synchronization start
    07:23:26, 02 Jan.
    ( 129.110000) CWMP: Server URL: https://pbthdm.bt.mo; Connecting as user: ACS username
    07:23:26, 02 Jan.
    ( 129.100000) CWMP: Session start now. Event code(s): '1 BOOT,4 VALUE CHANGE'
    07:23:19, 02 Jan.
    ( 122.040000) WAN operating mode is DSL
    07:23:19, 02 Jan.
    ( 122.040000) Last WAN operating mode was DSL
    07:23:19, 02 Jan.
    ( 122.000000) PPPoA is up -​ VPI: 0, VCI:38
    07:23:18, 02 Jan.
    ( 121.160000) PPP IPCP Receive Configuration ACK
    07:23:18, 02 Jan.
    ( 121.160000) PPP IPCP Send Configuration Request
    07:23:18, 02 Jan.
    ( 121.150000) PPP IPCP Receive Configuration NAK
    07:23:18, 02 Jan.
    ( 121.150000) PPP IPCP Send Configuration ACK
    07:23:18, 02 Jan.
    ( 121.150000) PPP IPCP Receive Configuration Request
    07:23:18, 02 Jan.
    ( 121.140000) PPP IPCP Send Configuration Request
    07:23:18, 02 Jan.
    ( 121.140000) CHAP authentication successful
    07:23:18, 02 Jan.
    ( 120.530000) CHAP Receive Challenge
    07:23:18, 02 Jan.
    ( 120.530000) Starting CHAP authentication with peer
    07:23:18, 02 Jan.
    ( 120.530000) PPP LCP Receive Configuration ACK
    07:23:18, 02 Jan.
    ( 120.520000) PPP LCP Send Configuration Request
    07:23:18, 02 Jan.
    ( 120.520000) PPP LCP Receive Configuration Reject
    07:23:18, 02 Jan.
    ( 120.520000) PPP LCP Send Configuration ACK
    07:23:18, 02 Jan.
    ( 120.520000) PPP LCP Receive Configuration Request
    07:23:17, 02 Jan.
    ( 120.390000) PPP LCP Send Configuration Request
    07:23:15, 02 Jan.
    ( 118.330000) ETHoA is up -​ VPI: 0, VCI:35
    07:23:15, 02 Jan.
    ( 118.330000) DSL is up
    07:23:14, 02 Jan.
    ( 116.860000) DSL noise margin: 5.90 dB upstream, 6.00 dB downstream
    07:23:13, 02 Jan.
    ( 115.950000) DSL line rate: 1176 Kbps upstream, 19512 Kbps downstream
    07:23:00, 02 Jan.
    wlan0: STA dc:3a:5e:5f:61:3d IEEE 802.11: Client associated
    07:22:43, 02 Jan.
    ( 86.270000) CWMP: session closed due to error: Could not resolve host
    07:22:43, 02 Jan.
    ( 86.240000) CWMP: Server URL: https://pbthdm.bt.mo; Connecting as user: ACS username
    07:22:43, 02 Jan.
    ( 86.230000) CWMP: Session start now. Event code(s): '1 BOOT,4 VALUE CHANGE'
    07:22:26, 02 Jan.
    wlan1: STA 34:e2:fd:42:6e:3f IEEE 802.11: Client associated
    07:22:20, 02 Jan.
    wlan0: STA dc:3a:5e:5e:29:f5 IEEE 802.11: Client associated
    07:22:16, 02 Jan.
    wlan0: STA b0:a7:37:65:25:2f IEEE 802.11: Client associated
    07:22:13, 02 Jan.
    ( 55.960000) CWMP: session closed due to error: Could not resolve host
    07:22:09, 02 Jan.
    ( 52.010000) WiFi auto selected channel 1
    07:22:09, 02 Jan.
    ( 52.010000) 1-​88::2-​88::3-​100::4-​88::5-​88::6-​89::7-​87::8-​87::9-​89::10-​89::11-​89::12-​89::13-​89
    07:22:09, 02 Jan.
    ( 52.010000) Rescan, Reason: 'Power-​up'
    07:22:07, 02 Jan.
    ( 49.460000) WiFi auto selected channel 40
    07:22:07, 02 Jan.
    ( 49.460000) 36-​128::40-​128::44-​128::48-​128::52-​128::56-​128::60-​128::64-​ 128::100-​128::104-​128::108-​128::112-​128::116-​128::120-​128::124-​ 128::128-​128::132-​128::136-​128::140-​128
    07:22:07, 02 Jan.
    ( 49.460000) Rescan, Reason: 'Power-​up'
    07:22:06, 02 Jan.
    ( 48.810000) CWMP: Server URL: https://pbthdm.bt.mo; Connecting as user: ACS username
    07:22:06, 02 Jan.
    ( 48.810000) CWMP: Session start now. Event code(s): '1 BOOT,4 VALUE CHANGE'
    07:22:06, 02 Jan.
    ( 48.550000) CWMP: Initializing transaction for event code 1 BOOT
    07:22:05, 02 Jan.
    ( 47.450000) Wire Lan Port 3 up
    07:22:05, 02 Jan.
    ( 47.450000) Wire Lan Port 2 up
    07:22:04, 02 Jan.
    ( 46.530000) WAN Auto-​sensing running.
    07:22:01, 02 Jan.
    ( 44.320000) The system is UP!
    07:21:45, 02 Jan.
    ( 27.550000) WPA2 mode selected
    07:21:45, 02 Jan.
    ( 27.550000) WPS enabled
    07:21:43, 02 Jan.
    ( 25.970000) WPA/WPA2 mode selected
    07:21:43, 02 Jan.
    ( 25.970000) WPS enabled
    07:21:39, 02 Jan.
    ( 22.340000) Booting firmware 4.7.5.1.83.8.130.1.17 (Type A)
    07:20:53, 02 Jan.
    (10595.730000) PPP LCP Send Termination Request [User request]
    07:20:51, 02 Jan.
    (10593.720000) The system is going DOWN for reboot.
    Nothing of note preceeds this - it just start with an 'out of the blue' reboot.
    It's not the router (HH3, HH4 and Netgear all affected)
    It's not the home wiring (swapped to different paid and patch cable)
    It's not the cab to exchange wiring (been swapped)
    It's not the port at the cab (been moved to different port).
    I've had 5 OpenReach visits - each time they acknowledge problem and say it's not a field fault - it's a 'backend' problem. I've got a BT Case Manager assigned who has tried his best but seems to be getting fobbed off by the 'backend' people telling him everything is fine and he needs to arrange yet another field visit!!
    Any ideas what it can be?  I'm hearing lots about CWMP / OpenRG issues being known for causing this kind of thing?  Is there any coincidence with the Fibre cab having just been installed? 

    Hi 38911,
    I'll be able to take a look at your connection. Please could you send me in your details using the "Contact The Mods" link found in my profile.
    Thanks
    PaddyB
    BTCare Community Mod
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  • At the end of my patience with BT

    Two weeks ago, a rushed delivery driver rounding the tight corner in the dark outside of my house crashed into my telegraph pole (actually on the roadside). It made a very loud noise, I rushed outside but he had driven away leaving part of the vans trim behind (which I have still got). I find it hard to believe that the instant problems that I have had with my telephone and broadband since then are not connected. Initially I noticed that the telephone line was very noisy, then I noticed that the broadband (usually 6.5-ish MBps) was much reduced - I used the BT Wholesale Speedtest and discovered that it was 3.9 MBps,
    I contacted Technical help, going through the checks they identified that when we unplugged the broadband line the telephone instantly cleaned up, they ordered me a replacement Hub as they felt the original was faulty (they were not interested in the Telegraph pole story). The Hub arrived 2 days later and I fitted it - no change, I called in the problem again and spend a couple of hours going through all of the checks, including getting cut off a couple of times during transfers between Departments which necessitated calling in again, starting from scratch. It was suggested that the reduced IP profile and slow speeds was the result of the new Hub not being stabilised and so I was asked to leave it a few days, if it hadn't levelled out, call it in again.
    It didn't magically mend itself. I spend another couple of hours trying to get to someone who can help but 'the script' is unavavoidable. I was cut off at least twice being transferred to 'Level 2' which meant 'start again from scratch'. Because of the noisy line and the amount of time involved I also tried the Online Live Chat on 3 or 4 occasions but was unable to get anywhere - it is so easy to get 're-queued' when the problem outstrips the agents grade, Everyone was very kind and caring using the exact same apologetic phrases, no-one owned the problem enough to solve it. I asked to be transferred to the department who would handle my cancellation, at last, someone based in the UK!! I vented my total frustration and she was most sympathetic, I explained that the offshore call-centre and the convoluted telephone system was not working for me, she was sure that the engineer who I had been allocated for the next day would sort everything out for me, on the spot. I relented putting my total disatisfaction down to the fact that within the last 10 days I had probably devoted 12 hours to simply reporting, testing, waiting on hold for an advisor, or using the Live Chat - like everyone else - I simply don't have time for that the week before Christmas. I am a Phone, Broadband and Vision customer, Vision is useless with low speed, phones are useless when so noisy, broadband is pointless when contantly dropping out. 
    The engineer visited, he replaced the main socket to a brand-new one as the existing socket (although the newer vision style, one socket above the other) was known to have issues. The phone was quiet, broadband showed 4.5 MBps but that was because the IP Profile was 4.5MBps - he suggeated I call it in and get the Profile reset. As he left I was on the phone, I waited 12 minutes to get through to 'stage 1' and noticed that as time passed the a noise started and grew to the same level as before his visit, I then spent another 3 hours reporting the problem, getting disconnected, starting again, getting cut-off when line testing whilst I was invited to accept a call on my mobile which being in a poor reception area was always going to be a bad option, then getting cut-off again between transfers to 'Level 2' and restarting the whole thing from scratch. Ultimately a very nice Level 2 lady promised me that unlike my experience to date, she would personally ensure that my Profile was improved and call me the next morning (today) between 9 and 10am to confirm everything was ok and if not, send out an engineer. By 10pm last night I indeed had a connection speed of 6.9MBps, the phone line was quiet, my Profile was 7.1MBps. She called this morning and I thanked her for her help and we went our seperate ways.
    Twenty minutes after her call it rained, the phone line became very noisy, my connection speed dropped to 2.5MBps dropping out every 5 minutes, disaster. I called it in again, another wasted 2 hours that I will never get back, only cut off twice this time, on one occasion I got a voice mail message saying "we were cut off, call in again and someone will help you" I felt quite angry by that point. On my final try I got through to someone who listened and has arranged an engineer for Tuesday (Christmas Eve!) but that as he can see nothing wrong with the line, and as the noise cleared up during the course of our conversation, that I will possibly get charged £129 for the privilige. Throughout all of this, no-one would consider the Telegraph pole damage as a potention cause of a HR fault, especially in the presence of water from rain. I have tried to get it across but one of the Bangalore crowd just gave me Openreach's telephone number to get it sorted, I only realised that was a 'get rid of him' tactic when the chap at Openreach said that basically they only deal with poles knocked over or dangerous in some other way.
    The last Adviser suggested I left it a few days and if not resolved call it in again, it was 13.03pm, I explained that it had taken from 10am to get to that stage with him, there was no way I was going to start from scratch reporting the same problem on Monday, he promised to call me on Monday (the day before the engineer visit was arranged) so we had time to cancel it if all was well (although as nothing was being done in the meantime, no IP profile reset etc it was most unlikely to mend itself by my past experience) He thought it was probably a faulty Hub, he asked me to refit the original which I did, the inevitabilty of the eventual fail is so draining.
    I live in a Rural area, there is no fibre optic, I have spent the last few minutes prior to registering on this forum investigating Satellite Broadband. Why can BT simply not send one person, capable of broadband AND phone? Why is the Indian Call-Centre so regimented in adhering to a standard script showing almost no initiative. What ever happened to the UK Call-Centre? Most importantly, bearing in mind that my current fault is the same as it has been since the van-crash - what do you Moderators suggest that I get the engineer to specifically do if on Tuesday when he turns up he finds 'no-issue'? - ask him to wait for it to rain?
    Apologies for this long rant but the inability to talk to a UK based, free-thinking Technical Help and Customer Service Departments must be costing a fortune. Forget the savings in running the technicians abroad, they cannot possible offset the wasted time, replacement equipment thats not needed, engineer visits that are not addressing the real issues (my first engineer was telephone, not broadband) and the resulting customer disatisfaction must force customers to leave BT in droves. I used to be with Plus Net and only transferred to get Vision, Bt own Plus Net, they could learn a great deal from their Customer Service model, this is all so sad.
    Regards
    Scott
    Solved!
    Go to Solution.

    Engineer called on Christmas Eve and diagnosed a HR fault which he struggled to find. In the end he re-routed the line feed back to the exchange (700 metres away), found the connection in the exchange, came back to the house and the phone line was silent and the broadband experienced a solid connection. Since then I have had a 4.8/4.9MBps connection as the IP profile is set at 5MB. I received a call from the Tech in Bangalore who put forward a reset for me but being by that time 5pm on Christmas Eve It would be unreasonable to expect it to be implimented before the end of play on Friday 27th - so I am being patient. 
    Many of us, who have vast experience, feel frustrated by the call-centre 'script' system that treats us all the same ("have you tried turning it off and on again? What colours are the lights on the front of the hub?"!!!) But just how do you get the Call Centre staff to appreciate that some of us can diagnose quite complicated problems on our own, and only contact them when we know an engineer is required on-site? Personally I would PAY to have a way of contacting a UK based BT Tech Support that could listen and respond appropriately, for BT, surely that would save them time and money too. 
    So other than the IP profile issue this is now solved, it was a High Resistance fault, I told them that when I first reported it on about 12th December (at which point the Bangalore Call Centre Chap said "what is a HR fault?" - I had to explain it). Since then I have spent probably 14 very frustrating hours on the telephone to BT (in the busiest week of the year), had two engineer visits (the first was a 'phone only' subcontractor not trained in broadband, the second fixed the issue) and I have also been supplied with a new Hub (which was unnecessary, I did point that out) and I am left feeling let down by their inability to listen and consider that the customer may have been right.
    If the speed issue is not resolved I will re-post stage two of this saga, other than that I do hope that I do not need to come back to post on the forum again. Simple faults turn into extended and unbelievable drama thanks to the way BT organise their customer service nowadays, everyone has at least one story, some have many. I have 10 months of my contract left, maybe I should go back to PlusNet ? They have UK based sensible staff and when I have experienced a fault in the past I have left it to them to bludgen BT engineering into mending the infrastructure, saving me doing do the leg-work, wasting all this time and getting frustrated and stressed myself.
    For those still struggling with the BT behemoth I sympathise, I hope that you are lucky enough to get through to someone who takes you seriously and does not let go of your problem until it is solved.
    Lets all hope for a Happy, Prosperous and Fault-Free New Year!
    Regards
    Scott

  • At the end of my tether...

    I am getting no joy at all out of the call centre staff in India, who for all their efforts seem unable to help me with my problem or in fact take the issue very seriously.
    I originally ordered home phone and infinity broadband back on the 9th October, I was informed that BT did not need my MAC code as the line was showing de-tagged and was given a phone activation date of the 26th October and an Infinity engineer visit the same date - this was order number AGTAA912844
    When the paperwork for this order arrived I noticed that the phone number that was on the order was incorrect - I phoned to ammend this information and was told that the only way to gaurantee that the phone number would be ported was to cancel the original order and place a new one. Reluctantly I did this and was given an order number of VOL011-56716064899 this came with an activation date of 4th Nov and an Infinity engineer date of the 5th Nov. (BT also offered a £36 credit as a gesture of good will for the delay with the order)
    On friday 21st October I recieved a voicemail from someone with a Dundee phone number telling me that the date of the 5th had been cancelled, On Monday 24th October I tried to call back on the number provided and the line was either engaged all day or the one time it was answered it seemed the line was left open while a group of women shot the breeze about how awful their monday morning had been.
    I complained through the online chat service and was directed to an Infinity Options team, who after a number of escalatons managed to get me a call back from a Manager by the name of Chris - he told me that the order had been flagged as a duplicate due to the previous cancelled order and that he would rebook the installation for the 5th. He called me back later that evening to confirm that he had booked this again.
    I have now had ANOTHER voicemail from the same guy in Dundee telling me that AGAIN they have cancelled my installation date on the 5th November - today I have tried 3 or 4 times to get through to 'Chris' to see if he can work his magic again and all I ever get is someone in India who will not escallate my call without first having to go through the steps that they can do and having to repeat myself over and over again!
    I am at the end of my teher with BT already and I am not even a customer yet - if this issue is not resolved ASAP then I will be cancelling my order and staying with my current provider - for all the potential benefits of Infinity this is just the most painful order process I have ever experienced.
    Regards
    Alex

    BWEP
    New member
    Sent to      [email protected]
    This is my current situation and like your self I am at the end of my tether
    From the date of installation  20/10/11 I have had problems
    Because the system requires a 24 hour verification  the Engineer can only check that the system is installed from the installation disk NOT that it is working as implied by Page 3 Para 3 " What will happen  on the day"
    On verification and opening the system by   dedication icon you are invited to upgrade to the new Mail box. Which I did
    A further pop up invites you to install a dedicated BT Yahoo Explorer 9
    At no stage was  I been able to use the email system on this dedicated  BT Yahoo installation
    I installed Chrome and was able to use my email .
    This was confirmed by the Eninginee and on Firefox which he installed via on a remote link
    This is a copy of his comments
    The Engineer stated  Quote " Failure of the update like all upgrade were subject to failure  but would downgrade to the original mail box " Unquote
    The resolution of the system was reduced in an attampt to complete the downgrade but Problem was NOT resolved
    His  conclusion was
    UPGRADING   to the new mail box from the system installed by the Installation Engineer corrupted  the dedicated Yahoo  Internet Explorer and attempts  made to Downgrade to the original version failed.
    SOLUTION  Contact system suppliers and have Internet  Explorer unistalled  and reinstalle
    As you will see fron the Addendum this  was  followed through but did not solve the problem
    I am waiting for reply to my request to cancal my contract and on the Engineer's adnitttance is dammiing enough alone  on the grounds for my request  for a cancelletion to be accepted
    Emails were sent to BTHelp but only acknowledged not replied to
    A letter and copies of these were sent to
     Mr Warren Bucklley  Managing Director Customer Services ( signatory of  letter of confrmation  dated 13/10/11  On VOLO11-56420******
    I teleponed Bt london Office and I was told this was NOT  possible !! I asked for his PA. NOT
     possible
    I was then twice put onto the auto number system . Impossible to comperhend !!
    Prior to tlelphoning I had used the auto sytem and an over 60 minute wait the put throught to >India redirected to Glasgow back to India 
    This is a copy  Transcript sent
    SENT VIA INTERNAL HELP CONTACT RE NO 111028-00****
    Original subject matter NOT ABLE TO READ 16 UNREAD EMAILS
    I am advising you of my concern at NOT being able to use my Bt Yahoo
    It was installed on the 20 th Oct and after experiencing difficulties with Reactivation it was activated on the 21 st
    The Agreement states that the Installation Engineer would install the programme on one computer, which presumably means a in usable condition
    How is this possible if the system cannot be reactivated for 24 hrs ?
    If he had been able to check the system he would have found the Shortcut icon did not open a useable system. ( downloaded by him from the installation disk provided.)
    Will NOT send emails
    Shows x number of emails in My Inbox . This is inaccurate
    No emails go to the My Inbox but are all saved as Drafts
    The Speed Test does NOT respond
    An Internal Popup suggested downloading a dedicated BT Yahoo Internet Explorer 9 http://home.bt.yahoo.com/
    This has NOT improved the situation as is exactly as when opened from the Shortcut icon
    Bt Yahoo open from CHROME does provide an intermittent service eg send emails but is NOT RELIABLE
    The Speed Test has been completed once but others attempts the system has
    NOT RESPONDED
    I have sent emails to Tech Services which have NOT been acknowledged
    I have had to contact Tech services by phone which is a mammoth task in itself
    On ONE occasion I had to wait 60 min's for my call to be answered.
    Another occasion I was put through to the wrong Service .I gave them my telephone number prior to being transferred and in the process I was cut off but my call was NOT reconnected
    I have received assistance via a remote link and two lengthy session one some 100 min's plus.
    The session was escalated and transferred to Bt Yahoo [email protected]
    the problem was NOT resolved
    Return call from Tech Services have been arranged but NOT returned. I have spent two wasted days writing in for a 10-00 hr call which did not materialize
    A problem which should be addressed is the proficiency of the diction of the personnel of out sourced Service Facilities . I am sorry but in many cases the lack of clarity makes the problem more difficult and frustrating for the caller.
    As a last resort I contacted Bt London Office and twice was put into the auto system with more frustrating waits
    I rang off and reconnected and insisted I spoke to a " VOICE " NOT the auto system and was eventually connected to Accounts Management. SOME SANITY. I was given a number to ring which was faulty so I was NOT able to take advantage of this . !!
    I was with my previous ISP for ten years but with numerous problems after being taken over by another ISP. I received a cold call from an Infinity Call centre and was promised an excellent service and that I would NOT experience these problems with BT
    In all honesty the problems I had with my previous ISP palls INTO INSIGNIFICANCE the problems that I have experienced with BT through 20 th to today the 28 th .
    I note from reading the Forum that I am NOT alone and I am considering to copying this to the Forum depending on the out come of your reply.
    Since I have NOT had a written/email replies from previous emails it is my intention to mail recorded delivery copies of this to the Chief Executiveof ,BT Open Reach  and  Managing Directors ,  as copy list
    I have sent copies of previous emails regarding these problem to Mr Warren Buckley, BT Customer Services Manager but not had the courtesy of reply. this was by first class post hence my intended use of recorded delivery
    Need I say more
    Barrie Peaple
    ps By my count NOT is repeated 13 time !!
    ADDENCDUM 29-10-11
    BT  Tech Services called at 0900-hrs today having been requested on the intermail system
    Click here: BT.com Help  from to call between 12-15,00hrs
    The system was operated by him via remote link
    The Engineer stated  Quote " Failure of the update like all upgrade were subject to failure  but would downgrade to the original mail box " Unquote
    The resolution of the system was reduced in an attampt to complete the downgrade but Problem was NOT resolved
    His  conclusion was
    UPGRADING   to the new mail box from the system installed by the Installation Engineer corrupted  the dedicated Yahoo  Internet Explorer
    and attempts  made to Downgrade to the original version failed.
    SOLUTION  Contact system suppliers and have Internet  Explorer unistalled and reinstal
    1400 hrs
    Making a final attempt to use  Bt Yahoo  as prescribed by Bt on their dedicated choice of Browser
    Attempt (1)  Control Panel>>>> Programmes and feature >>> Turn windows on and off >>>  shutdown and restarted  after both steps >.> Bt Yahoo was opened via the IE icon >>>system did NOT reconfigure after restart
    >>. Problem was NOT resolved
    Attempt (2 ) was repeated by turning off >>> shutdown and restareted >>> Internet Explorer was download from Firefox and reinstalled >> shutdown and restart >> System reconfigured >>> Bt Yahoo was opened via the IE icon >>> Problem was NOT resolved
    Attempt (3) As (1)  Bt Yahoo was opened via the IE icon >>> Problem was NOT resolved
    About to Make a final Attempt (4) repeating Attempt (1) system did NOT reconfigure after restart >>> Problem was NOT resolved
    15-10 hrs
    MY FINAL CONCLUSION  Windows Explorer has been fatality corrupted by  the Mail Box Upgrade and on this premise it is my intention to request a cancellation of my contract in that the corruption caused BT Yahoo was unusable on the  recommended  dedicated   Windows Explorer server
    I wi!! keep the forum posted
    BWEP

  • BT can actually fix broadband faults! (no I'm not ...

    Just had to post this for anyone to read who have encountered problems with BT Broadband. Its been put onto an old thread but incase your new or never saw it here it is.
    Anyone else seen the flying pigs all covered in snow?
    It's finally happened, after 14 months, hours upon hours spent on the phone to Broadband No Support India Division, emails back and for with moderators and BT, 4 engineer visits and 3 emails to the chairmans office my broadbands been fixed. Yes thats right its not a mistype my broadband has actually been fixed.
    I did try the noise line test as recomended by another forum member but I had no noise on the line.
    After my last attempt to email the chairmans office (that and the short but blunt voicemail message I left too) I had a call from a new person who works in the chairmans office. This lady couldn't have been more helpful. She'd actually looked into my account and problems dating back to the day I joined BT Broadband back in January 2009 and was shocked to see some of the crazy and down right ridiculous things I'd been told and had to put up with. I was even more shocked when she knew exactly what an external NTE was. She listed to what I had to say and the long long list of what I'd tried over the 14 months and how even with 2 replacement hubs sent out nothing changed. She decided that from what I'd described it was a faulty hub issue. I have to admit when I was told this I was a bit apprehensive and wasn't expecting anything new to actually happen. Wrong!
    Instead of just winging me out a new bog standard Type A Hub 2.0 she sent me out a new Hub 2.0 Type B. She explained how it was made by a different manufacturer and how it had a different chipset in it and that there had been customers who had found it solved there problems. I was dubious but I agreed to having one to try. 2 days later it arrived. Looks exactly the same as the 3 other hub 2.0 I have had in the past. I set it all up, switched it on and hey presto it burst into life. When it did burst into life there was no annoying loud clicking noise like with the Type A hubs. I logged into the Hub Manager and it appears to be more user friendly and pretty quick. For some unknown reason all previous Hubs upon connection would start with an Actual Data Transfer Speed of 100 odd mbps then almost immediately this would decrease down to 54 mpbs. Right away its showing as being 130mbps.
    Tried logging back into Hub Manager later on and I was astonished to see that the Actual Data Transfer Speed was still showing as being 130mbps. Then I looked at the connection speed of all joined PCs, Laptop and Netbook to find they were all at 100mbps. This is something which had never been achieved before. Now I started thinking is this actually going to work? Yes, it did. Using the internet now is quicker than its ever been. My download speed has increased from approx 6mb up to a now steady 7mb and the upload speed is slightly quicker too. The lovely lady from the chairmans office rang back a few times to see how things were going and apologised everytime for the way my broadband problems and the support lines have been of no help/use. I told her under no way was I ever ringing India again and she said hopefully next year it'll all be back in the UK. (Fingers crossed folks)
    Its now been 13days, 2 hours, 17 minutes & 51 seconds since switching to the Hub 2.0 Type B and I've had no flashing orange lights, no disconnections and none of those annoying 'Theres a problem with your broadband messages' appearing on my monitor. This is unheard of. If I'm lucky may go for a week without frequent disconnects (it did happen in summer 2009) but certainly no longer than that. 
    Its both great and disgusting at the same time. Yes its great that I now have the broadband service I've been paying for but disgusting that its taken 14 months to get it. That and the fact that despite all the bull excuses and comments on how its the phone line inside and its the electrical interference and that its a fault with all my PCs, laptops and netbooks etc that it is in fact down to that bloomin Hub!
    Compensation is being looked into and should be forthcoming. I do not want to curse it but if these great speeds/transfer rates remain and I continue to be able to use my Broadband without that blasted constant clicking noise, flashing orange broadband light and frequent disconnections (deep breath) I may stay with BT.
    Thanks to everyone whos suggested or commented on things to try.
    No disrespect to the Mods on here but I did contact yourselves numerous times on the old BT Forums and got nowhere. The usual thing was to be told a line test had been done, no faults found now ring BT Broadband helpline. In my case no it wasn't a line fault it was rubbish BT Hubs 2.0 type A fault!
    All I can recommend for anyone whos sick to the back teeth ringing India and getting nowhere with there broadband problems try using Google and searching for BT Chairmans email address and fire an email to them with details of your problems/experiences. 
     Good Luck 

    nice 1,   i got my bb fixed today 2, after weeks of phone calls to india and 7 engieer visits and a letter to the chairman my bb its back up to 3.5 mbps,  the only strange thing is my bb light gos orange every 2 hours im hoping this is just like the 10 days restart and not still a falut im just glad my dsl connetion rate is back up was at 1000 but now 4689 pls look at my home hub stats tell we what u see pls x oh im using the home hub 2.0 type A
    Line state
    Connected
    Connection time
    0 days, 0:11:54
    Downstream
    4,768 Kbps
    Upstream
    448 Kbps
    VPI/VCI
    0/38
    Type
    PPPoA
    Modulation
    ITU-T G.992.1
    Latency type
    Fast
    Noise margin (Down/Up)
    5.8 dB / 20.0 dB
    Line attenuation (Down/Up)
    53.0 dB / 31.5 dB
    Output power (Down/Up)
    19.3 dBm / 12.8 dBm
    Loss of Framing (Local)
    68
    Loss of Signal (Local)
    8
    Loss of Power (Local)
    0
    FEC Errors (Down/Up)
    0 / 0
    CRC Errors (Down/Up)
    480 / 2147480000
    HEC Errors (Down/Up)
    nil / 7
    Error Seconds (Local)
    5

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