Enhanced Receceiver Determination and BPM

Hi Expert,
Based on some conditions in the input file I need to route it to BPM or file receiver? Please let me know if I can use enhanced receiver determination?
Thanks
Suma

My scenario is actually soap to rfc synchronous...
I want to check if in soap request the fields are having blank value.
case1 : If the input fields are having blank value then I need not call the RFC and I have to sent the response as Fields are missing.
case2 : If the fields are not having blank value then I need to check whether XI is able to connect to R/3. If XI is not able to connect to R/3 then I need to send the soap response as "R/3 server is down". This one am doing with BPM using exceptions.
case 3: when fields are not blank and XI is able to connect to R/3 then call rfc and send soap response to third party
How can I validate step1?
Thanks
Suma S

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i go thrown the some sap help link .. But I did't understand.. so, can any of you plz explain the what is the purpose of the Enhanced Receiver determination..
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Enhanced Receiver Determination:
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/43/a5f2066340332de10000000a11466f/content.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/42/ed364cf8593eebe10000000a1553f7/frameset.htm
/people/venkataramanan.parameswaran/blog/2006/03/17/illustration-of-enhanced-receiver-determination--sp16
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/people/jin.shin/blog/2006/02/07/multi-mapping-without-bpm--yes-it146s-possible
/people/venkataramanan.parameswaran/blog/2006/03/17/illustration-of-enhanced-receiver-determination--sp16
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/43/a5f2066340332de10000000a11466f/frameset.htm
/people/shabarish.vijayakumar/blog/2006/06/07/customise-your-xpath-expressions-in-receiver-determination
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/42/ed364cf8593eebe10000000a1553f7/frameset.htm
/people/venkataramanan.parameswaran/blog/2006/03/17/illustration-of-enhanced-receiver-determination--sp16
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/43/a5f2066340332de10000000a11466f/frameset.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/42/ed364cf8593eebe10000000a1553f7/frameset.htm -
>Enhanced Interface determination.
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/people/venkataramanan.parameswaran/blog/2006/03/17/illustration-of-enhanced-receiver-determination--sp16
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/43/01322a7af25285e10000000a1553f7/frameset.htm
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/43/a5f2066340332de10000000a11466f/content.htm
Enhanced (Mapping-Based) Interface Determination
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/42/ed364cf8593eebe10000000a1553f7/frameset.htm
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2.Is Enhanced interface Determination possible when I have used 3 inbound interfaces instead of multi-mapping?
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Am I right?
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the same status node in the source file on which I will impose check will call the selective inbound interface based on the
status node.Is it?If so,then do I need to mention anything other than the check condition in XPATH e.g.do I need to mention any
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Condition will only cause the execution of that particular line and wont automatically call the mapping/ interface (unless these are specified in the Interface Determination).
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XPATH is the easiest option to specify a condition....other option includes the use of a Context Object.
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Regarding Test Case:
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