Enhanced Receiver Determination for synchronous interface.

Hello!
Was anyone faced with the Enhanced Receiver Determination? When I try to create
the definition of the Interface Mapping, I get the error:
"Interface modi are different. Source interface Message Interface MI_My_sync_iface | urn:my is synchronous. Target interface Message Interface ReceiverDetermination | http://sap.com/xi/XI/System is asynchronous"
Thank you.

Hi ,
U can go through below limks :
Illustration of Enhanced Receiver Determination - SP16
SAP NetWeaver Process Integration: Enhanced Receiver Determination for Synchronous Scenarios
Enhanced Receiver Determination in SAP XI - Exchange Infrastructure - Wiki
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/wiki?path=/display/xi/enhanced%2breceiver%2bdetermination%2bin%2bsap%2bxi
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Dynamic receiver determination for synchron interface

Hello everybody,
I want to use dynamic receiver determination for a synchron scenario.
The problem is, that the interface 'ReceiverDetermination' (http://sap.com/xi/XI/System SAP BASIS 7.00) is a asynchron interface.
This leads to an error when activating the Interface-Mapping (synch source Interface -> asynch destination Interface ReceiverDetermination)
Is there a way to use the dynamic receiver determination for synchron interface?
Thanks a lot,
Thomas

Hi Thomas,
I guess your scenario is not possible ASIS, since XI doesn't support 1:n for sync interfaces (and even if your mapping condition reduces it to 1:1, actually it is still 1:n, since your receiver list is unbounded).
Theoretically, you could make it work with BPM, though.
But I've never worked with a Receiver Determination Step reading from an enhanced receiver determination in ID (though there should be no problems).
Use sync async bridge, then use receiver determination step to obtain the receiver from an enhanced Receiver Determination. Pay attention that this enhanced receiver determination is a dummy one, using a mapping from your async abstract interface to the ReceiverDetermination interface. Once your mapping has determined the receiver, the enhanced receiver determination will return that receiver to the Receiver Determination step in the BPM. Then use this receiver in the sync send step (in mode receiver from receiver list, not from context).
The receiver determination of the actual sync send step may be a standard one, with the several receivers there (even if there are several there, at the moment of the sending, only one will be used).
Maybe it will work, maybe not.
Just try it.
Regards,
Henrique.

Enhanced Receiver Determination in Synchronous Scenario

Hi,
my synch scenario with standard Receiver determination is working fine.
the service interfaces i used are SI_OutSynch_EmpInfo_Request and SI_InbSynch_EmpInfo_Provide.
I am now trying to apply enhanced Receiver determination for the same synch scenario.
For this, in ID, in my Receiver Determination object i selected the radio button Extended, then it is asking for an operation mapping. infact it is asking for an OM with sender Interface=SI_OutSynch_EmpInfo_Request (from my swcv) and Receiver Interface = ReceiverDetermination (from SAP BASIS swcv)..
So I logged into ESR, and created an OM_test_EnhancedRD, with sourceInterface=SI_OutSynch_EmpInfo_Request (from my swcv) and TargetInterface = ReceiverDetermination (from SAP BASIS swcv)
But when i tried to activate the OM_test_EnhancedRD, it is not getting activated, and giving below error:
Interface modi are different. Source interface Operation SI_OutSynch_EmpInfo_Request | http://mycomp.com/myns is synchronous. Target interface Operation ReceiverDetermination | http://sap.com/xi/XI/System is asynchronous
So my queries are:
1. is for synch scenarios, if receiver information is part of the request payload, how can we apply the extended Receiver Determination, so that the Receiver is determined dynamically.
2. or is there any synch version of ReceiverDetermination (from SAP BASIS swcv) available.
thanks in advance.
madhu.

in this case, does SAP provide synch version of ReceiverDetermination SI, so that we can use that in OM for enhanced Receiver Determination.
If you have a look at the blog-reference given by Ravi you will find a way on how to make the ReceiverDetermination Si synchronous or work with the same async SI.....for quick reference below is the way mentioned in the blog:
From the blog:
Option 1:
A quick and easy way to allow for synchronous enhanced receiver determination setup is to circumvent the check that prevents
a synchronous interface to be matched to an asynchronous interface in an interface mapping. This can be done simply by
manually entering the name and namespace of the ReceiverDetermination interface object (e.g. 'ReceiverDetermination'
and 'http://sap.com/xi/XI/System' respectively) for the target/receiver interface in the interface mapping, but leaving the value for
the Software Component Version empty.
Option 2:
Select Modify and then change the mode to synchronous. Since a synchronous interface requires an input message as well, you
can reuse the Receivers message type used in the output message - it doesn't really matter as long as some message type is
used.
Both of the above options are available under the Applying the Workarounds section of the blog
Regards,
Abhishek.

Enhanced Receiver determination - for Integration Process

Hi,
Just wanted to confirm that if it is possible to have more than one Receivers, with Enhanced Receiver Determination and one of the Receiver happens to be Integration Process. I know with Enhanced Receiver Determinations you can find more than one Receivers at Run time, however the key question is, if in addition to normal Receiver Systems (like SAP R/3 or Web Services etc), if we can also kickoff Integration Process within Enhanced Receiver Determination.
Thanking in advance.

as said by Udo Martens
Assumedly the different receivers are using different Inbound Interfaces (a BP is using an Abstract Interface). Therefore you would need for each different receiver a own Interface Determination referring a own mapping.
refer this wiki http://wiki.sdn.sap.com/wiki/pages/pointstab/viewpageversion.action?pageId=131760630&version=5 to Know how to configure Enhanced receiver determination and Interface determination for each receiver .
In your case one of the receiver will be Integration process

Enhanced Receiver Determination in PI7.1

Hi,
We have a requirement where in we have to use the Enhanced Receiver Determination for one of our scenarios for choosing the receiver.We are on PI7.1.
As of now,we have mapped a constant rcvr(Test_Supplier) to the Service in the message mapping from our source to the target -Receivers, as we do for Enhanced Receiver determination.The rcvr determination choosing Extended and the correct Operation mapping has been configured.The coresponding Interface determination and Receiver agreements have also been configured.
When trying to test this by posting a payload through RWB,we get the No_Receiver_Case_Async error.
Is it necessary to map the party field also in the message mapping?Am I missing something here?Kindly advise.
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Induja

When trying to test this by posting a payload through RWB,we get the No_Receiver_Case_Async error.
Is the Mapping which you developed to determine the receiver(s) able to give the appropriate output? Apart from cache problem, this can also be the issue when the mapping does not produce i.e. no proper service is populated in the corresponding node....the service must be actually present (and active) in ID
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Abhishek

Using Enhanced Receiver Determination with a Synchronous Service Interface

Hi Experts,
I want to use ERD on a Synchronous Interface. Is that possible? Perhaps it has no sense, because in an ERD you can choice multiple receivers and that its against the synchronous philosophy: what if you declare 2 or more receivers, from wich one has the right response to be taken?
In technical terms I build the operation mapping as it is written both in the blog (/people/venkataramanan.parameswaran/blog/2006/03/17/illustration-of-enhanced-receiver-determination--sp16) and the SAP HELP.
But in my OM I have as source service interface one Abstract Synchronous and in the target I have one Abstract Asynchronous wich is not possible. So I tried many tricks like creating my own synchronous ReceiverDetermination Service Interface in my SWC, but it is not detected. Other trick will be modifying the standart SI, but it will affect the next guy trying to use ERD with an Asynchronous interface
The point its that it is a little funny that the receiver determination allows using ERD with a synchronous SI wich makes me think that it will be possible...
Is it possible to use ERD with a Synchronous Interface?
Regards
Gonzalo

i have seen Enhanced RD with lookups that work. Have to say it was not a RFC lookup used but rather a DB look in one of the implementations i had worked with. But still I really dont think a RFC lookup should be an issue.
Troubleshoot the lookup mapping to be working other than in the enhanced RD (i.e independently) .
if you head no where, i suggest opening a OSS note.

Interface Determination under Enhanced Receiver Determination Scenario

Hi,
One of the very basic assumption for Enhanced Receiver Determination is that Receivers are found at run time, and one of the such requirement is that we don't know about Receiver Business System at the time of configuration.
Now for such scenarios, how do we configure "Interface Determination". For Interface Determination one of the input filed is "Receiver Service/Party", in addition to "Sender Service/Party" plus "Sender Interface"
Since we don't know Receivers at config, what value(s) should come in "Receiver Service/Party" in Interface Determination at config time.
Thanking all of you in advance

Hi Rajan,
You have to do the following things:-
First, maintain Database Table in SAP XI. Which contains several keys like Sender, Receiver system and then according to that key combination we perform a JCO call and fetch the values which gives us the correct receiver and interface.
Create a Data Type which will be having Two elements Service And Interface.
Now careate a message type and message interface for this data type. This will be for your receiver.
Then use source payload and perform a message mapping between Sender Payload & this Message Type.
Use UDF and make a JCO call and fetch table entries for service and interface.
Then in Directory perform extended determination and use this mapping into it. The result will be Service & Interface.
Thanqs
Biplab

Enhanced Receiver Determination synchronous

Hi all,
I am running into a bit of a problem when using enhanced receiver determination on a SOAP - XI - RFC scenario on a NW2004 SP17 XI system.
According to the help.sap.com (http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/43/a5f2066340332de10000000a11466f/content.htm) I have to make an interface mapping to the "ReceiverDetermination" async abstract interface.
Here is my problem: "ReceiverDetermination" is asynchronous and my source (SOAP) interface is synchronous, but it seems impossible to define a interface mapping between a synchronous and asynchronous interface.
Do any of you have any ideas and/or suggestions to solve my current predicament?
Steven

Hi,
After some experimentation I found a solution.
It involves building a sync/sync bridge in an Integration Process and using a Receiver Determination step in that Integration Process.
The Integration Process forces you to store the request/response messages in an abstract ASYNC interface. When the Receiver Determination step calls the Receiver Determination Object in the directory, it uses the abstract async interface of the request message, instead of normal sync interface.
This enables you to build an enhanced receiver determination interface mapping using the abstract async interface used to store the message in the integration process.
Steven

ACK for receiver determination with 2 interface determination

Hi Forum,
I have a XI scenario, with a BPM, where i have a Send step,
this send step corrsponds to a receiver determination in Configuration, and this receiver determination has 2 interface determination,
because the send step is like,
BPM to Receiver1, through sender message interface MI_Sender1, but there are 2 different receiver message interface namely MI_receiver1, and MI_receiver2,
.......hence 2 interface determination and 2 interface mappings accordingly,
and now when in BPM, i choose "transport acknowledgement" for this send step, my BPM stucks while waiting for the acknowledgement, but...in MONI, i am receivng both the acknowledgement, but in PE, workflow descrition, it waits for acknowledgement and finally fails,
what's the reason,

check the workitems of both sender/receiver (ack) in moni (problem might be in BPM config).

Purpose of Enhanced Receiver Determination

Hi
i go thrown the some sap help link .. But I did't understand.. so, can any of you plz explain the what is the purpose of the Enhanced Receiver determination..
for this.. in mapping side does we need to do any special things.. or for a normal scenario also.. can we use this..
I want to use this Enhanced Recever determination in my scenario.. for that what are the steps i need to follow..
Regards
Babu

Hi !
Enhanced Receiver Determination:
You use an enhanced receiver determination to have a mapping program determine the receivers of the message dynamically at runtime. Instead of creating the receivers in the receiver determination manually, you assign a mapping to the receiver determination and this returns a list of receivers at runtime.
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/43/a5f2066340332de10000000a11466f/content.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/42/ed364cf8593eebe10000000a1553f7/frameset.htm
/people/venkataramanan.parameswaran/blog/2006/03/17/illustration-of-enhanced-receiver-determination--sp16
also check this
Please Check
/people/jin.shin/blog/2006/02/07/multi-mapping-without-bpm--yes-it146s-possible
/people/venkataramanan.parameswaran/blog/2006/03/17/illustration-of-enhanced-receiver-determination--sp16
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/43/a5f2066340332de10000000a11466f/frameset.htm
/people/shabarish.vijayakumar/blog/2006/06/07/customise-your-xpath-expressions-in-receiver-determination
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/42/ed364cf8593eebe10000000a1553f7/frameset.htm
/people/venkataramanan.parameswaran/blog/2006/03/17/illustration-of-enhanced-receiver-determination--sp16
Also check ....
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/43/a5f2066340332de10000000a11466f/frameset.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/42/ed364cf8593eebe10000000a1553f7/frameset.htm -
>Enhanced Interface determination.
/people/shabarish.vijayakumar/blog/2006/06/07/customise-your-xpath-expressions-in-receiver-determination --->Customised XPath
Also check the following threads
Enhanced Receiver Determination
Enhanced Receiver Determination synchronous
/people/robin.schroeder/blog/2006/11/15/using-dynamic-receiver-determination-with-sync-interface
/people/venkataramanan.parameswaran/blog/2006/03/17/illustration-of-enhanced-receiver-determination--sp16
List of receivers can be dyamically determined and assigned at runtime using enhanced receiver determination .
have alook at thses URl's also
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/43/01322a7af25285e10000000a1553f7/frameset.htm
:Dynamic file and variable substitution
Similarly Extended Receiver determination is used to determine the receiver at runtime.
Refer my reply:Re: Condition In Receiver Determination Not Working
enhancement in ID
Enhanced Receiver Determination:
You use an enhanced receiver determination to have a mapping program determine the receivers of the message dynamically at runtime. Instead of creating the receivers in the receiver determination manually, you assign a mapping to the receiver determination and this returns a list of receivers at runtime.
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/43/a5f2066340332de10000000a11466f/content.htm
Enhanced (Mapping-Based) Interface Determination
In an enhanced interface determination you do not enter the inbound interfaces manually, but instead first select a multi-mapping. You get the inbound interfaces from the target interfaces of the multi-mapping. The inbound interfaces are determined at runtime during the mapping step.
You typically use an enhanced interface determination if the source message has an element with occurrence 0 ... unbounded (for multiple items of a data record) and you want multiple messages (for the individual items) to be generated at runtime.
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/42/ed364cf8593eebe10000000a1553f7/frameset.htm
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Enhanced receiver determination

why we assign the abstract message interface ReceiverDetermination as the target interface.can we achieve enhanced receiver determination without this abstract interface.I have gone through sap help and some blocks of sdn also but still its not clear to me that whats the role of this abstract interface.

Hi
For receiver determination::- See
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/26/5ccd3bb4560f01e10000000a11402f/content.htm
About
Abstract Interface :
The abstract interface work both inbound and outbound interface(Bi directional).
BPM can process messages only through "abstract interfaces" al though Receive and Send steps can have interfaces other then "abstract interfaces" all other intermediat steps of BPM needs "abstract interfaces"
Hope it helps
regards
Piyush

Problem with Enhanced Receiver Determination

Hi Friends,
I am doing the enhanced receiver determination scenario, But it is giving the
error in SXMB_MONI like this
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes" ?>
- 
- <SAP:Error xmlns:SAP="http://sap.com/xi/XI/Message/30" xmlns:SOAP="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/" SOAP:mustUnderstand="">
<SAP:Category>XIServer</SAP:Category>
<SAP:Code area="RCVR_DETERMINATION">CX_RD_PLSRV</SAP:Code>
<SAP:P1>Problem while determining receivers using interface mapping: Fehler beim Parsen der Empfänger-Liste.Länge des XML-Dokuments 264</SAP:P1>
<SAP:P2 />
<SAP:P3 />
<SAP:P4 />
<SAP:AdditionalText />
<SAP:ApplicationFaultMessage namespace="" />
<SAP:Stack>Error when determining the receiver: Problem while determining receivers using interface mapping: Fehler beim Parsen der Empfänger-Liste.Länge des XML-Dokuments 264 Problem while determining receivers using interface mapping: Fehler beim Parsen der Empfänger-Liste.Länge des XML-Dokuments 264 Fehler beim Parsen der Empfänger-Liste.Länge des XML-Dokuments 264 System expected the element 'Receivers'</SAP:Stack>
<SAP:Retry>M</SAP:Retry>
</SAP:Error>
this is error is coming in the SXMB_MONI
THE DATA type(Receivers) we create in basis component is comes automatically?
are we have to create?
in my scenario i creted manually,
is it compulsory to specify the properties for the party and agency?
is it compulsory to create 2 Receiver structures in msg structure?
if yes what r those, actually i used from sap.help.com,
Can any body should give me the solution for this, regarding mapping and configuration , if anybody experienced this scenario. Pls . give me the guidelines to do.

Hi,
the mapping creating the receiver list is not producing the required element "Receivers" from Namespace "'http://sap.com/xi/XI/System". Look to the operation mapping given in the enhance Receiver Determination (IB Directory) and detect the corresponding mapping program (ESR). Copy the source payload from MONI, test the mapping program and correct it.
Regards,
Udo

Intermittent JDBC error in Enhanced Receiver Determination

Hi,
I have an interface that use Enhanced Receiver Determination in PI 7.1 EHP1.
The database is DB2 on i5/os 6.1
Sometimes message ends in error :Error when determining the receiver: Problem while determining receivers using interface mapping: Runtime exception occurred during application mapping com/sap/xi/tf/_HI01_to_ReceiverDetermination_;
But the same message with same values is successfull earlier.
This is not a design problem; the interface is working well 95% of the time.
I found some JDBC error in NWA java logs:
Error in sax handler parsing request: Error when executing statement for table/stored proc. 'table' (structure 'statement'): java.sql.SQLException: [SQL0104] Token "BUSINESS_SYSTEM" was not valid. Valid tokens: FOR SKIP WITH FETCH ORDER UNION EXCEPT OPTIMIZE.
Error when calling an adapter by using the communication channel CC_RECEIVER_JDBC_PIDB2 (Party: *, Service: INTEGRATION_SERVER_PX1, Object ID: cb7ea38fb2ac3a06b12d79f5ade2bcf7) XI AF API call failed. Module exception: (No information available). Cause Exception: 'Error processing request in sax parser: Error when executing statement for table/stored proc. 'table' (structure 'statement'): java.sql.SQLException: [SQL0104] Token "BUSINESS_SYSTEM" was not valid. Valid tokens: FOR SKIP WITH FETCH ORDER UNION EXCEPT OPTIMIZE.'.
Thrown:
com.sap.aii.af.service.api.AFException: XI AF API call failed. Module exception: (No information available). Cause Exception: 'Error processing request in sax parser: Error when executing statement for table/stored proc. 'table' (structure 'statement'): java.sql.SQLException: [SQL0104] Token "BUSINESS_SYSTEM" was not valid. Valid tokens: FOR SKIP WITH FETCH ORDER UNION EXCEPT OPTIMIZE.'.
at com.sap.aii.af.service.api.AdapterAccess.sendMsg(AdapterAccess.java:214)
at com.sap.aii.af.service.api.AdapterAccess.execute(AdapterAccess.java:283)
at com.sap.aii.ibrun.server.lookup.AdapterProxyLocal.execute(AdapterProxyLocal.java:119)
at com.sap.aii.ibrun.server.lookup.SystemAccessorInternal.execute(SystemAccessorInternal.java:76)
at com.sap.aii.mapping.lookup.DataBaseAccessor.execute(DataBaseAccessor.java:74)
at com.sap.aii.mappingtool.flib7.SelectSingle.selectSingle(SelectSingle.java:54)
at sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor607.invoke(Unknown Source)
at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25)
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:592)
Any idea? Can high volume cause the JDBC Receiver to fail?
Martin

hi,
you r trying to impliment Lookup for the file adapter which is not synch in nature and hance u r not getting the responce back.
please find the link which deals with how to impliment lookup for file adapter.
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/scn/wiki?path=/display/xi/file%252blookup%252bin%252budf.
now once u get rhe runtime receiver u can perform enhanced receiver determination (write a simple UDF)
regards,
navneet.

Can I Using Enhance Receiver Determination?

Hi,
Can I used Enhanced Receiver Determination to push data to Receiver 2 , based on the response coming from Receiver 1 ( a BPM that that has a synchronous send step and fetches response from SAP through a proxy) ? If yes, how ?
thanks & regards,
XA

We can have just a send step and for that send step we can configure a condition based receiver Determination right?
yeah correct
> and Can you throw some light on how to deal with queues, in case if the response doesnt come from SAP to PI due to some reason, which can happen in real time?
it will thhrow time out exception or message expired exception, if you want to do exception handling do it accrodingly using Control step.
Regards,
Raj

How enhanced receiver determination works..?

hi all,
In enhanced receiver determination Interface mapping(which has java mapping) I have also included logic to make some change in content of input file and dynamic configuration for output file name. My input and output are flat files. So I m using dummy structure. In interface determination i m not referring any Interface mapping.
Receiver determination is working properly But neither dynamic file name nor the changes in content of file are reflecting in out put file.
Is it mandatory to use separate mapping in interface determination to change the content of file and dynamic file name?
Thanks
Jai
Edited by: Jaideep Baid on May 29, 2010 6:27 PM

Is it mandatory to use separate mapping in interface determination to change the content of file and dynamic file name?
The mapping used to in receiver Determination is to decide the Receiver.....the mapping used in Interface Determination is to create the target structure....both are to be developed and used separately (one in Receiver Determination and other in Interface Determination respectively)....this wiki gives you an example:
http://wiki.sdn.sap.com/wiki/display/SI/StepbyStepguidetoExplainEnhancedReceiver+Determination
Regards,
Abhishek.

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