Epson R1800-color match issues solved

I had reported issues with the printer no longer matching the monitor colors
many of you said to get a hardware device and calibrate monitor
instead I downloaded a newer driver for the printer
still had issues
SO:
I changed from printer manages colors to PS managed workflow and decided to use color profiles from ILFORD (smooth glossy)
document space sRGB-IEC61966-2.1
printer profile- ISGP9.....etc
relative colormetric (recommended by Epson document)
black point compensation ticked
then in Epson interface:
turn off printer mgmt (check ICM box>> then check off)
if you use preview before print, the image will look hideous in the interface, but prints fine
looks pretty good
prints match monitor colors
so I am thinking it is the Espon color profiles that are whack
Kat

This is all good info, but for me at least, the real issue is not whether you can get the driver/printer to function (most people seem to be able to get it working) but when you get it functioning under Snow Leopard are there color issues.
Although the printer may work fine for basic documents etc, it is for color-critical photo work that I need my 2200. Many other posts are reporting that although the driver is functioning, there are fairly severe color issues when trying to create high-quality photographic prints using the standard color-managed workflow. This would be rather crippling for photographers and other artists who rely on their 2200.
Maybe those posting here could comment on whether they have been using their 2200 for photographic purposes and whether or not they have seen color issues. I wonder if some people just aren't noticing a problem because they aren't doing color-managed photographic work.
I haven't installed Snow Leopard yet and I'm trying to determine if this is affecting a very small percentage of people or if everyone is having trouble getting proper color from their 2200 since Snow Leopard. So far I haven't seen a single post specifically stating that they they are using the 2200 for high quality photo printing and have had no color issues under Snow Leopard.
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