Epson R1800 Unable to Print Borderless 4x6

Maybe this is too simple a task for this printer, but after updating to the Snow Leopard drivers I can't get a borderless 4x6 out of the printer. It is printing with a border and cutting off the image. Should this be that difficult? I am using epson 4x6 photo stock. I tried printing a calibration sheet and it was useless as it was cut off like the photos.
Is this a hardware problem or is it just that difficult to print with Aperture? I seem to always have a problem with this program when it comes to printing.

Hi again,
There is no difference between 2 x 3 and 4 x 6 -- it is the same crop, and when the driver and printer properly cooperate, it works perfectly from Aperture. Such is the case with my R1900. I hardly ever print from iPhoto, so I cannot say if there is a problem yet to be corrected with SL or not. There certainly is no problem printing from Photoshop, but I just don't like to do that with images that are archived in Aperture.
To get your full image printed borderless from any app, and not lose detain from the edge, you must be able to use the Expansion setting to minimize the expansion that the drivers otherwise provide to assure proper bleed over on the edge. In my one Epson that does not work properly from Aperture, it is clear that the Expansion function is inoperable, but when printing from Photoshop it is.
Ernie

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