Epson R1900 prints look awful

I'm printing from a MacBook Pro. 2008
Printed images on my high end Epson R1900 look awful.
Printed out of photoshop they don't resemble what's on screen in the slightest.
Printed out of indesign they are much better but still random.
Every program prints differently.
Snapseed prints better results than most.
Why the inconsistency? I'm wasting so much paper and ink trying to get something that should be simple right.
Any ideas?
thanks
matt

There were a lot of reports of "double profiling" with Epson printers when Photoshop CS5 was first released. I believe many people were seeing magenta-looking prints at that time.
Unfortunately, I don't think there was ever a resolution or even a good workaround... I recall at least one person bought a new printer to be able to continue to work.
Of course, double check to see whether Epson has released any updated printer drivers.
As I don't have an Epson myself, I can only suggest that you'll want to experiment with your settings to see if you can find a way to disable color management in the printer driver, so that only Photoshop does it - or disable color-management in Photoshop so that only the printer driver will do it.
-Noel

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Perceptual
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