Epson r1900 Prints too dark after upgrading to cs5 from cs3

Ok this one has got me stumped. While still in photoshop CS3 my epson r1900 was printing photo's just fine. After upgrading cs3 to Photoshop cs5 it now prints everything too blue. Nothing else has changed. My monitor is still calibrated, my printer paper profiles are still the same, the only change was upgrading to cs5. To me it looks all the world like ICM is being applied twice (in photoshop and the printer) but in photoshop I have selected "photoshop manages colors" just like I did in cs3, and in the print dialog box for the printer, I have selected no ICM again just like I did in CS3. But now the prints come out with a, to my eye, dark blue tint. Very very frusterating. I have deleted the color prefs file and let that recreate, but that did not help either. I am out of tricks. Any suggestions?
Thanks
Patrick

There were a lot of reports of "double profiling" with Epson printers when Photoshop CS5 was first released. I believe many people were seeing magenta-looking prints at that time.
Unfortunately, I don't think there was ever a resolution or even a good workaround... I recall at least one person bought a new printer to be able to continue to work.
Of course, double check to see whether Epson has released any updated printer drivers.
As I don't have an Epson myself, I can only suggest that you'll want to experiment with your settings to see if you can find a way to disable color management in the printer driver, so that only Photoshop does it - or disable color-management in Photoshop so that only the printer driver will do it.
-Noel

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