Error 36 cannot be read or written when transferring files to USB
Hi!
I am having a really annoying problem where i can't transfer files to a USB as i get the following error message:
"The Finder can’t complete the operation because some data in “______________” can’t be read or written. (Error code -36)"
Does anyone know how to fix this?
I've tried googling some options like typing certain things into terminal and doing a disc detox, but nothing is working
thanks!
Many times this is due to a directory issue. Running a utility like TechTool or DiskWarior may fix it. Sometimes its a warning of a hardware issue. Either a drive going bad or a bad flash drive.
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