Error -8 message (can't connect with audio or video, text OK)

I've tried to exhaust all the resources online, but so far have had little success.
I'm getting an Error -8 message whenever I try to establish a video (or audio) chat with any of the three Apple test accounts. I've opened the ports recommended by:
http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Netopia/3347NWG/iChat.htm
I'm actually trying to get my father-in-law's account up and running so the only details I have about the ISP is that it's Bluewin based in Switzerland so I'm not sure about VoIP details. I could probably find out if necessary. Also, I've already switched to port 443 to log on.
Here's sort of a funny little detail. I've also brought my 12-inch PowerBook G4 with me which I know works back in the states. I get almost the same error as the iMac, but with more details. The only difference is that the iMac doesn't have any details in the following categories:
Video Conference Report:
Video Conference Support Report:
Video Conference User Report:
I think I've covered all the bases. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. The details of the error log are listed below (BTW, changed account info to "********" for security).
Thanks, in advance,
Scott
//ERR0R REPORT DETAILS///////////////////////
Date/Time: 2007-12-29 11:03:20.315 -0500
OS Version: 10.4.11 (Build 8S165)
Report Version: 4
iChat Connection Log:
AVChat started with ID 3832688733.
scbressler723: State change from AVChatNoState to AVChatStateWaiting.
0x5236550: State change from AVChatNoState to AVChatStateInvited.
0x5236550: State change from AVChatStateInvited to AVChatStateConnecting.
scbressler723: State change from AVChatStateWaiting to AVChatStateConnecting.
scbressler723: State change from AVChatStateConnecting to AVChatStateEnded.
Chat ended with error -8
0x5236550: State change from AVChatStateConnecting to AVChatStateEnded.
Chat ended with error -8
Video Conference Error Report:
2.003976 @:0 type=4 (00000000/36)
[VCSIP_INVITEERROR]
[19]
2.003878 @SIP/SIP.c:2447 type=4 (900A0015/36)
[SIPConnectIPPort failed]
Video Conference Support Report:
1.503507 @SIP/Transport.c:1218 type=1 (00000000/0)
[INVITE sip:[email protected]:16402 SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP m.0:5061;branch=z9hG4bK7b92ac6340899c77
Max-Forwards: 70
To: "u0" <sip:[email protected]:16402>
From: "********3" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=345579911
Call-ID: 88add57e-b627-11dc-8150-f5008efb13c4@lip
CSeq: 1 INVITE
Contact: <sip:[email protected]:5061>;isfocus
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Type: application/sdp
Content-Length: 538
v=0
o=Scott 0 0 IN IP4 m.0
s=scbressler723
c=IN IP4 m.0
b=AS:2147483647
t=0 0
a=hwi:70:1:1499
a=bandwidthDetection:YES
a=iChatEncryption:NO
m=audio 16386 RTP/AVP 12 3 0
a=rtcp:16387
a=rtpmap:3 GSM/8000/1
a=rtpmap:0 PCMU/8000/1
a=rtpID:-778271315
m=video 16384 RTP/AVP 126 34
a=rtcp:16385
a=rtpmap:126 X-H264/90000
a=rtpmap:34 H263/90000
a=fmtp:34 imagesize 1 rules 30:352:288
a=framerate:30
a=RTCP:AUDIO 16387 VIDEO 16385
a=pogo
a=fmtp:126 imagesize 0 rules 30:160:120:160:120
a=rtpID:1838791129
0.503244 @SIP/Transport.c:1218 type=1 (00000000/0)
[INVITE sip:[email protected]:16402 SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP m.0:5061;branch=z9hG4bK7b92ac6340899c77
Max-Forwards: 70
To: "u0" <sip:[email protected]:16402>
From: "********3" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=345579911
Call-ID: 88add57e-b627-11dc-8150-f5008efb13c4@lip
CSeq: 1 INVITE
Contact: <sip:[email protected]:5061>;isfocus
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Type: application/sdp
Content-Length: 538
v=0
o=Scott 0 0 IN IP4 m.0
s=********3
c=IN IP4 m.0
b=AS:2147483647
t=0 0
a=hwi:70:1:1499
a=bandwidthDetection:YES
a=iChatEncryption:NO
m=audio 16386 RTP/AVP 12 3 0
a=rtcp:16387
a=rtpmap:3 GSM/8000/1
a=rtpmap:0 PCMU/8000/1
a=rtpID:-778271315
m=video 16384 RTP/AVP 126 34
a=rtcp:16385
a=rtpmap:126 X-H264/90000
a=rtpmap:34 H263/90000
a=fmtp:34 imagesize 1 rules 30:352:288
a=framerate:30
a=RTCP:AUDIO 16387 VIDEO 16385
a=pogo
a=fmtp:126 imagesize 0 rules 30:160:120:160:120
a=rtpID:1838791129
0.002969 @SIP/Transport.c:1218 type=1 (00000000/0)
[INVITE sip:[email protected]:16402 SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP m.0:5061;branch=z9hG4bK7b92ac6340899c77
Max-Forwards: 70
To: "u0" <sip:[email protected]:16402>
From: "********3" <sip:[email protected]>;tag=345579911
Call-ID: 88add57e-b627-11dc-8150-f5008efb13c4@lip
CSeq: 1 INVITE
Contact: <sip:[email protected]:5061>;isfocus
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.2
Content-Type: application/sdp
Content-Length: 538
v=0
o=Scott 0 0 IN IP4 m.0
s=********3
c=IN IP4 m.0
b=AS:2147483647
t=0 0
a=hwi:70:1:1499
a=bandwidthDetection:YES
a=iChatEncryption:NO
m=audio 16386 RTP/AVP 12 3 0
a=rtcp:16387
a=rtpmap:3 GSM/8000/1
a=rtpmap:0 PCMU/8000/1
a=rtpID:-778271315
m=video 16384 RTP/AVP 126 34
a=rtcp:16385
a=rtpmap:126 X-H264/90000
a=rtpmap:34 H263/90000
a=fmtp:34 imagesize 1 rules 30:352:288
a=framerate:30
a=RTCP:AUDIO 16387 VIDEO 16385
a=pogo
a=fmtp:126 imagesize 0 rules 30:160:120:160:120
a=rtpID:1838791129
0.000000 @:0 type=2 (00000000/36)
[VCVIDEO_OUTGOINGATTEMPT]
[4]
Video Conference User Report:

Hi Ralph,
Well, the Leopard update is installed (10.5.1) and still no luck with iChat 4.0. Still using UPnP through the Netopia 3347NWG, not port forwarding. I have to admit I'm still a little clumsy finding my way through the new OS, but I've done the adjustments to the Mac firewall and I'm sure I have a little more "homework" to do. Unfornately, I'm leaving for home tomorrow, so I thought I'd a least give you an update.
The new error message is as follows. Any additional troubleshooting will have to be done over the phone with my father-in-law at this point.
Happy New Year, BTW.
Patiently awaiting your thoughts.
Scott
///ERROR LOG////////
Date/Time: 2008-01-03 22:24:50.968 +0100
OS Version: 10.5.1 (Build 9B18)
Report Version: 4
iChat Connection Log:
2008-01-03 22:24:15 +0100: AVChat started with ID 1452569723.
2008-01-03 22:24:15 +0100: xxxxxxx11: State change from AVChatNoState to AVChatStateWaiting.
2008-01-03 22:24:15 +0100: 0x17b761f0: State change from AVChatNoState to AVChatStateInvited.
2008-01-03 22:24:23 +0100: 0x17b761f0: State change from AVChatStateInvited to AVChatStateConnecting.
2008-01-03 22:24:23 +0100: xxxxxxx11: State change from AVChatStateWaiting to AVChatStateConnecting.
2008-01-03 22:24:30 +0100: 0x17b761f0: State change from AVChatStateConnecting to AVChatStateEnded.
2008-01-03 22:24:30 +0100: 0x17b761f0: Error -7 (0x17b761f0 cancelled the connection.)
2008-01-03 22:24:30 +0100: xxxxxxx11: State change from AVChatStateConnecting to AVChatStateEnded.
2008-01-03 22:24:30 +0100: xxxxxxx11: Error -7 (0x17b761f0 cancelled the connection.)
Video Conference Error Report:
14.843838 @SIP/SIP.c:2719 type=4 (900A0015/0)
[SIPConnectIPPort failed]
Video Conference Support Report:
12.843724 @SIP/Transport.c:2353 type=1 (00000000/0)
[INVITE sip:user@rip:5061 SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP lip:16402;branch=z9hG4bK17d757ea4955bfc6
Max-Forwards: 70
To: "u0" <sip:user@rip:5061>
From: "0" <sip:user@lip:16402>;tag=458859319
Call-ID: 43d4b782-ba42-11dc-b17a-ca8b75d14012@lip
CSeq: 1 INVITE
Contact: <sip:user@lip:16402>;isfocus
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.3
Content-Type: application/sdp
Content-Length: 729
v=0
o=xxxxxxx 0 0 IN IP4 lip
s=0
c=IN IP4 lip
b=AS:2147483647
t=0 0
a=hwi:1056:2:2400
a=iChatEncryption:NO
a=bandwidthDetection:YES
m=audio 16402 RTP/AVP 110 121 12 3 0
a=rtcp:16402
a=rtpmap:121 speex/16000
a=rtpmap:122 speex/8000
a=rtpmap:113 X-AAC_LD/44100
a=rtpmap:110 X-AAC_LD/22050
a=rtpmap:3 GSM/8000
a=rtpmap:0 PCMU/8000
a=rtpID:531389619
m=video 16402 RTP/AVP 123 126 34
a=rtcp:16402
a=rtpmap:123 H264/90000
a=rtpmap:126 X-H264/90000
a=rtpmap:34 H263/90000
a=fmtp:34 imagesize 1 rules 30:352:288
a=framerate:30
a=RTCP:AUDIO 16402 VIDEO 16402
a=fmtp:126 imagesize 0 rules 20:640:480:640:480:20
a=fmtp:123 imagesize 0 rules 20:640:480:640:480:20
a=rtpID:254359157
13.344072 @SIP/Transport.c:2353 type=1 (00000000/0)
[INVITE sip:user@rip:5061 SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP lip:16402;branch=z9hG4bK17d757ea4955bfc6
Max-Forwards: 70
To: "u0" <sip:user@rip:5061>
From: "0" <sip:user@lip:16402>;tag=458859319
Call-ID: 43d4b782-ba42-11dc-b17a-ca8b75d14012@lip
CSeq: 1 INVITE
Contact: <sip:user@lip:16402>;isfocus
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.3
Content-Type: application/sdp
Content-Length: 729
v=0
o=xxxxxxx 0 0 IN IP4 lip
s=0
c=IN IP4 lip
b=AS:2147483647
t=0 0
a=hwi:1056:2:2400
a=iChatEncryption:NO
a=bandwidthDetection:YES
m=audio 16402 RTP/AVP 110 121 12 3 0
a=rtcp:16402
a=rtpmap:121 speex/16000
a=rtpmap:122 speex/8000
a=rtpmap:113 X-AAC_LD/44100
a=rtpmap:110 X-AAC_LD/22050
a=rtpmap:3 GSM/8000
a=rtpmap:0 PCMU/8000
a=rtpID:531389619
m=video 16402 RTP/AVP 123 126 34
a=rtcp:16402
a=rtpmap:123 H264/90000
a=rtpmap:126 X-H264/90000
a=rtpmap:34 H263/90000
a=fmtp:34 imagesize 1 rules 30:352:288
a=framerate:30
a=RTCP:AUDIO 16402 VIDEO 16402
a=fmtp:126 imagesize 0 rules 20:640:480:640:480:20
a=fmtp:123 imagesize 0 rules 20:640:480:640:480:20
a=rtpID:254359157
14.344611 @SIP/Transport.c:2353 type=1 (00000000/0)
[INVITE sip:user@rip:5061 SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP lip:16402;branch=z9hG4bK17d757ea4955bfc6
Max-Forwards: 70
To: "u0" <sip:user@rip:5061>
From: "0" <sip:user@lip:16402>;tag=458859319
Call-ID: 43d4b782-ba42-11dc-b17a-ca8b75d14012@lip
CSeq: 1 INVITE
Contact: <sip:user@lip:16402>;isfocus
User-Agent: Viceroy 1.3
Content-Type: application/sdp
Content-Length: 729
v=0
o=xxxxxxx 0 0 IN IP4 lip
s=0
c=IN IP4 lip
b=AS:2147483647
t=0 0
a=hwi:1056:2:2400
a=iChatEncryption:NO
a=bandwidthDetection:YES
m=audio 16402 RTP/AVP 110 121 12 3 0
a=rtcp:16402
a=rtpmap:121 speex/16000
a=rtpmap:122 speex/8000
a=rtpmap:113 X-AAC_LD/44100
a=rtpmap:110 X-AAC_LD/22050
a=rtpmap:3 GSM/8000
a=rtpmap:0 PCMU/8000
a=rtpID:531389619
m=video 16402 RTP/AVP 123 126 34
a=rtcp:16402
a=rtpmap:123 H264/90000
a=rtpmap:126 X-H264/90000
a=rtpmap:34 H263/90000
a=fmtp:34 imagesize 1 rules 30:352:288
a=framerate:30
a=RTCP:AUDIO 16402 VIDEO 16402
a=fmtp:126 imagesize 0 rules 20:640:480:640:480:20
a=fmtp:123 imagesize 0 rules 20:640:480:640:480:20
a=rtpID:254359157
Video Conference User Report:
0.000000 @:0 type=5 (00000000/16402)
[Local SIP port]
6.186925 @Video Conference/VideoConferenceMultiController.m:1476 type=5 (00000000/0)
[IP And Port Data With Caller IP And Port Data: Obtained 80 bytes of local IP and port data (2 entries). Remote data was 0 bytes (0 entries).
7.804314 @Video Conference/VideoConferenceMultiController.m:1509 type=5 (00000000/0)
[Initiate Conference To User Cert Version: u0 with 120 bytes of connection data.
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    a=rtpID:138569664
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    a=rtpmap:126 X-H264/90000
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    m=audio 40947 RTP/AVP 12 3 0
    a=rtcp:40949
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    Any brilliance on the matter would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks!
    B.
    Message was edited by: Brian Sack

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