Error in Derivation and Profitability Segment

Hello Gurus,
I am two issues, which isnt allowing me to create a sales order in IDES.
I am referencing a quotation when i want to create the sales order. But i got a warning message 'error in derivation rule' and the log text has
                                                                                Error occurred in derivation rule. See long text
Message no. K/ 111
CO-PA Characteristic Derivation
Diagnosis
Step 0006 Country Ship-to   > Intern.Reg
No entry in a derivation rule was found for the specified source field
                                                                                The derivation rule was set up so that an error message appears when
     this happens.
The required derivation rule entry would need the following source
     fields:
Country Ship-to
I proceeded and the sales order couldnt save. An incompletion log pointing towards the profitability segment was generated. I have put the profit center, yet i have this issue.
Kindly help resolve it.
Thanks

Hi Luqman,
This issue is realted to the COPA Issue.
Please Try by giving the Profit Center at sales order Header by giving the Derivation rule and most important thing here is we have to mention the country of ship to here.
Please Reward IF Really Helpful,
Thanks and Regards,
Sateesh.Kandula

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