ESOA and Out of the Box services doubts

Hi,
I am reading about PI 7.1 and going through eSOA architecture. What I understand is, The eSOA says that we have some out of the box services avalable from SD, for example creating a sales order. This can be exposed as a web service from R3. When this available as a web service, and if the calling application is capable of calling web services, where is the need for PI? Why do we need to use PI for SOAP to SOAP communication?
How inside out and outside in approaches are different in eSOA architecture as far as PI and R3 are considered? Can some one clear my doubts?

no, no, just hints and personnal opinion
eSOA is SOA from sap marketing point of view. It was ESA, but nobody undertood, so, they changed the name to eSOA. Don't mind about the name, it is all about to have services well organized (someone could use "orchestrated") supporting business processes. Different than having function modules published for remote use
Well, developers has almost nothing to do with soa (but they want it We want (as developers) to make soa, but it does not work. This initiative (as sap really got in its soa name) need to be from enterprise level, and probably do not apply to mid-sized companies, only to the big ones.
Software architects will be probably disapointed (at least untill PI7.0 that we have here) and start to build their own components and their own soa strategy - very hard working.
I didn't find any of called "out of the box" sap services that really match our requirements, but found many bapis and standard functinos that do that. So, most of our services are based on using many different standard functions to provide a complete service, using sometimes ccBPM, sometimes abap proxies, sometimes soap to soap, sometimes RFC, even depending on requirements, but all of them centralized at PI to help on the governance of all those services.
Did you tried to go through ES Workplace and its forum? I think is a good starting point. You can get an user id to try the services there and make some experiences.
reagards.
roberti

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