Expense Account on TM system - Commitment Item on FILO system

Hello.
I am involved in TM-related project.
Currently the following system landscape is applied:
FILO system including Funds Management
separate HR system including TM.
Issue:
We need commitments to be posted in FILO system, when Travel Request is created in HR system.
Currently there is a problem with Commitment Item derivation. Funds and Funds Centers are derived correctly, but CI derivation always returns '9503 - no budget', however, there are certain CIs which must be derived instead of 9503.
Required assignment is configured on HR system: Estimated Costs - Wage Type - Symbolic account - Expense Account
Required FM Master Data and derivation strategy is configured in FILO system
It seems to me that GL account data is not transferred correctly to FILO system for derivation.
Questions:
What are the means of travel request data transfer between TM and FM on different systems (objects, ALE)? What I must check?
Should I repeat configuration of Estimated Costs - Wage Type - Symbolic account - Expense Account on FILO system?
Do you have any other advices?
Thank you.
Kirill

Hello,
have you checked already this here?
http://help.sap.com/erp2005_ehp_05/helpdata/EN/f0/ca3fec260211d28a430000e829fbbd/frameset.htm
Best regards,
Sigi

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