Export keywords hierarchy

I would like to export the whole keyword hierarchy for the photos I export but I can't find a way to do it.
For example, if I have
a
--b
-----c
d
e
f
--g
-----h
and a photo keyworded with b, e and h I would like the exported image to have the keywords:
a, b, e, f, g, h
I can do this with FlickrExport but I can't figure out how to do it using the standard "version export".
Does anyone know how it can be done?

The first image is a screen capture of a throw away image in PSE 7. The second image is a screen capture of MS Pro Photo Tools and the Vista Image Properties/Details for the same image. There are two hierarchies created in Lightroom and exported as Lightroom hierarchies: Places/National Parks/Glacier and Wildlife/Birds/Clark's Nutcracker. The keywords show up as a flat hierarchy with each keyword separated by a comma in PSE 7 and by a semicolon in both Pro Photo Tools and the image details. I have not been able to find a way to get PSE 7 to respect Lightroom hierarchies.
I would be particularly displeased with Adobe to learn that the Windows version of Bridge does respect Lightroom hierarchies now that Adobe is offering Bridge bundled with the Mac version of PSE 8 but sticking Windows users with the Organizer

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I want a new catalog with small jpgs and the hierarchical keywords. But I seem to be able to get each part of that individually but I can't seem to get them all at the same time.
If I select images and export them with "Write Keywords as Lightroom Hierarchy" checked, then import those new jpgs into a new catalog, my keywords are a flat list without the hierarchy. I tried exporting my keyword hierarchy as *.txt then importing it into an empty catalog so the hierarchy already existed. When I imported the new jpgs into that catalog, the keywords still came in as a flat list appended to the hierarchical keyword list.
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Thanks, I thought I might be missing something. I had thought of doing what you suggested, but was worried about the potential for messing up my "real" catalog. If this is the only option, I think I'll just live with the flat keyword list for this project.
To answer your question about why I want to do this: I am exporting photos that I'm putting into a ZenPhoto gallery on my website. I'm resizing the images for the web, and I don't want the resized jpgs in my main catalog. The web jpgs will have something in the Rights Usage IPTC data that I don't want in my main catalog, so I wanted the web jpgs in a catalog to change the IPTC data, although I could do that in Bridge.

Problem with Keyword Hierarchy Export

Hello All,
I've noticing an issue with keyword export in Lightroom 4.0 64 bit Mac OS. In 4.0, as compared to 3.6, when I select uncheck the "Include on Export" box of a parent keyword not only is that keyword removed from the exported keywords but all parents keywords above it in the heirarchy. For example if my keyword hierarchy is as follows:
Animals
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          Reptiles
               Turtles
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In Lightroom 3.6 if I was to unckeck the "Include on Export" box of Vertebrates the exported keywords would include:
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While if I was to do the same the keywords would be:
Reptiles, Turtles, Black River Turtle
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According to this (See B. Warde's response in the thread) http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/keyword_options_no_longer_available_ in_lr4 this was a behavior that was incorrect in 3.6 that has now been fixed.

Exporting picture with only the bottom of a keyword hierarchy

Hi,
I am exporting my pictures to be shown in a wordpress blog. I set up wordpress in a way to use the meta data. I have a hierarchy for people "People > private > Paul". What I get now in wordpress is the flattened hierarchy. What I want to see is "Paul". Is it possible to achive this somehow? The checkboxes do not seem to do the trick.
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If you only want the bottom (last) keyword to be exported you'll have to setup the keywords higher up the hierarchy as non exportable. Right click the containing keyword and choose Edit Keyword from context menu.
Also, make sure that the Export window option to write the Lightroom keyword hierarchy is unchecked.

Export more verbose keyword hierarchy

Today when you export the keyword hierarchy (Lightroom 1.0) only the names of the keywords are exported (tab-delimited). I'd like to also include the other information, such as if the keyword is exported and its synonyms etc.

Including synonyms (maybe another tab and then a list) would make it much easier to edit.
I have a problem (could be pilot error...) that when I export a keyword set and edit it to create hierarchies that when I import the new list, it has a) not replaced the prior list (should have an option) and b) that moved keywords loose the associate to all of the photos they had.
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Patrick

Include all keyword hierarchy in version export metadata?

I've spent a lot of time rebuilding my Aperture 3 Library with a new workflow that includes extensive use of keywords. To simplify I have taken advantage of the keyword hierarchy that Aperture offers.
For example; an image with the keyword "Times Square" inherits "Manhattan", "New York City", "New York", "United States of America"
However, when I export my version of the image the EXIF metadata only contains "Times Square" and does not include the parent keywords. Almost the entirety of work I have done in building my keyword hierarchy is useless outside of Aperture - for example in posting to Flickr.
Is there any method of ensuring that all the inherited keywords are included in the version metadata?

Is there any method of ensuring that all the inherited keywords are included in the version metadata?
No luck - that is driving me crazy too. It is particularly annoying, if you export and reimport; then you have all of a sudden duplicate keywords:
Your old "Times Square" as subkeyword of "Manhattan" and another "Times Square" at the top level. And all smart albums using the keyword "Times Square" do no longer work!
You could try to rename the keywords to include the inherited part: Times Square-Manhattan-NewYork ....
A better handling of hierarchical keywords is my fondest wish for Aperture 4
Regards
Léonie

How About Some Standard Standards For Keyword Hierarchy?

After reading Wolf Eilers post in the "Respect Keyword Hierarchy when importing" thread, I tried his example and exported a RAW file with the "Outdoor>Landscape" example he gave and then re-imported the jpeg. It came back in with Landscape as the parent of Outdoor, that is backwards from what I intended. Go figure.
If LR respects ">" as indicating a parent-child relationship between keywords it is fine with me. However, Microsoft decided to use "/" because there is apparently no XMP standard for keyword hierarchies. Wouldn't it be nice if Adobe, Microsoft, and Apple too got together and set a defacto standard for keyword hierarchies. As it is now, I can create a keyword "Outdoor/Landscape" in LR and have it appear in Vista Photo Gallery with Landscape as a child of Outdoor. However, if re-imported into LR it comes in as "Outdoor/Landscape". Can't we just all get along?

Absolutely no. A completely pointless exercise. As there can be no standard for such a thing. As people have so many, very different ways of filing things. It like suggesting that we all use the same folder tree for filing on our computers. Our relationship to keywords and their meaning will change.
Take Brad Pitt, would you put him under Actor, celebrity or relative. His mum would file him under Son/Family.
What about places. I use UK, Europe, Asia, Africa...as top level domains. Now someone who lives in Japan would have Japan as home and the UK as Europe/UK. Some people may like to file musical acts by city of origin, others by genre, neither is wrong and both are correct for the right person. Being able to do both would be even better.
You just design a heirachy that suits yourself. Adobe just has to find a way of respecting that and allowing you to transfer that heirarchy intact between apps.
Someone else posted this example of heirachy. Which will work well for some, but not for others. Plus, in context of what you ask, remember everyone's family structure is different so how can you possibly have a 'standard' heirachy.
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=98612897&size=o
In your example above, I wouldn't use Outdoor and Landscape as Landscape. As for my filing I simply do not have an inside and outside category. I probably wouldn't even have a landscape category either, I would file them under location in a heirachical tree like UK/Wales/West Glamorgan/Gower/Rhosilli/Headland. I may add Landscape as a key word, but would not use it as a category as the heirachy tree above makes more sense to me as I can remember where things are.
I also file everthing by date in my OS as I can remember when I took things reasonably well and that ensures I have a coherent filing system onto which I can apply a database.

How to flatten keyword hierarchy?

For about a year I had all my keywords organized into a nice hierarchy, but after moving projects between libraries and computers my keywords are in chaos because keyword hierarchy information is not included in exported projects. I have keywords repeated with one nested in a folder and its copy sitting at the top level (with photos assigned to both).
After seeing what a mess moving projects causes, I'd like to eliminate the hierarchies and just keep a flat list. Does anyone know of a way to flatten the structure without having to drag each keyword out of its folder? I tried deleting the Keywords.plist file, but it gets rebuilt with the hierarchy intact. Any help is appreciated!

One thing that might be a factor is the way Aperture keeps keywords active even if you move or delete them in the keywords list.
In order to have control over your keyword list, you need to delete existing keywords from your images. As Steve Weller points out in his articles, Aperture keeps keyword information in several places, not just the keyword list, and you need to deal with all of the places in order to control the hierarchy of the keyword list. For example, if you have set up custom keyword buttons, they store the keyword in the hierarchy of the time the button was created, so each time you use the button, you are making Aperture "remember" the hierarchy, even if you have later moved the keyword.
But your issue is that you have many images using keywords. When a keyword is used in an image, it is stored with the image; Aperture remembers the hierarchy of the keyword. This means that if you later move that keyword in the keyword list, Aperture considers the moved keyword to be separate and independent of the keyword previously used with an image. You can see this in the smart album display of keywords, which is based on actually used keywords. If you are having this problem, then keywords will appear more than once in the smart album keyword list. If you want to keep the same spelling of a keyword that has been moved in the keyword list, the only solution I know of is, frankly, a bit tedious:
1. use the smart album to select all images using the unwanted version of the keyword
2. then assign an "intermediate" (not identically spelled) keyword to those images,
3. then delete the unwanted version of the keyword from the images (use the keyword field in the control bar; option-tilde or click on the field, then type the name of the unwanted keyword, then shift-return to delete the keyword)
4. then assign the new version of the keyword to the images
5. then delete the intermediate keyword
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How to Export keyword hierachy to flickr

I use a keyword hierarchy to tag my photo.
For instance
Australia :: NSW :: Sydney
In that way, I tag my picture from Sydney only with the keyword Sydney but if I look for pictures from Australia, I still get the one tagued with sydney in the search result.
Is it possible to export the full hierarchy of keyword (Sydney would be translated into Australia, NSW, Sydney) to flickr without adding some plugin to Aperture

Short answer is no.
The apparent keyword hierarchy in Aperture doesn't exist outside of Aperture. While you can search in Aperture for Australia and get the images tagged Sydney in reality only the keyword Sydney is applied to the image and only that keyword will show up on export.
If you want to do what you wrote you would need to tag the image with the entire hierarchy yourself.
This has been the case since Aperture 1 and has been complained about many times but it doesn't appear that Apple will be changing keywording any time soon.
regards

Keyword hierarchy, nesting, and labels

I have keyword hierarchies set up. I utilize the drag and drop method of keywording.
Is there a way to tell Lightroom to keyword the nested(above) keywords to the photo I am keywording?
In other words:
I have an 'adirondaks' keyword. this is nested below 'places' 'united states' 'new york'. If I drag and drop the photos onto adirondaks, then only that keyword shows up, and not the places, united states, new york, also.
There has to be a way to do this... right?

Given your example, let's suppose the following keyword hierarchy:
Places
---United States
-----New York
--------Adirondaks
-----California
--------San Diego
--------San Francisco
Only the bottom keywords of a keyword hierarchy should be used to tag a photo. From the above example, that would be 'Adirondaks', 'San Diego' or 'San Francisco'. The higher level keywords will not show in the keyword tags of the photos but will be inherited for searching. You could therefore filter on New York and it will bring you all the pictures of the Adirondaks, or filter on Californa and all photos tagged with San Diego and San Francisco will be in the selection. Finally, if you filter on United States, you will see all photos tagged with the bottom keywords of all sub hierarchy under United States, in this case Adirondaks, San Diego and San Francisco.
If you export a photo tagged with the Adirondaks keyword, all keywords in the hierarchy will also be included in the export as long as each keyword in the hierarchy have the "Include on export" option checked.
Hope this helps!

Keyword hierarchy confusion???

I'm getting very confused with regards to how a keyword hierarchy behaves on export.
For example, let's say I have the following hierarchy;
People
            ^Family
                       ^Joe Bloggs
If I tag a photo with 'Joe Bloggs', I would expect keywords 'people', 'family' and Joe Bloggs to be exported, correct?
Now, for the confusion...
In the keyword options for 'people', I have 'export containing keywords' checked. Does this mean that all photos with the keyword tag 'people' will also have keywords 'family' and 'Joe Bloggs' added to them???
I have tested this, and it doesn't seem to be the case. So what is the purpose of 'export containing keywords'???
Any help would be much appreciated!
Many thanks,
Martin

I'm getting very confused with regards to how a keyword hierarchy behaves on export.
For example, let's say I have the following hierarchy;
People
            ^Family
                       ^Joe Bloggs
If I tag a photo with 'Joe Bloggs', I would expect keywords 'people', 'family' and Joe Bloggs to be exported, correct?
Only if that's what you want. If you set up the keywords so Joe Bloggs has "Export Containing Keywords" checked, and Family has "Export Containing Keywords" checked, then the export has them all. But you can set it up other ways, so in other setups only Joe Bloggs gets exported.
In the keyword options for 'people', I have 'export containing keywords' checked. Does this mean that all photos with the keyword tag 'people' will also have keywords 'family' and 'Joe Bloggs' added to them?
This makes no sense to assign "Joe Bloggs" to any photo that has a "People" keyword, and in fact this will not happen. There's no set of options that would cause this to happen.
So what is the purpose of 'export containing keywords'???
To enable you to control what keywords get exported, and what keywords do not get exported.

Keyword Hierarchy Failure--Sometimes

I'm having trouble getting a new keyword to be associated with its parents. I have the grandparent keyword, "USA", and the parent keyword, "Colorado" already established with all keyword options checked when they were created. I've added a new keyword, "Kite Lake", as a child of Colorado, again with all options checked. However, when I apply "Kite Lake" to an image, neither "Colorado" nor "USA" is added. Oddly enough, I have another set of keywords that do work through the grandparent, parent, child hierarchy, Windy Ridge > Colorado > USA. Even though these last don't apply to my new images, I get all three levels when I apply them to the Kite Lake pix either by clicking on the child or by dragging the child to the images.
I have quit and restarted LR3.2 RC (Mac) several times, as well as optimized the catalog; but I still cannot get the parent and grandparent of Kite Lake to show. I have also made a text file with three line and the keywords entered appropriately. After importing, even these keywords do not work as I expect them.
Is this a bug or have I done or not done something?
Thanks,
Craig

Yes, when I export the image, the keyword hierarchy is exported.
That means the keyword and its hierarchy is applied correctly.
However, when I apply a library filter for keywords to the folder containing the images, only "Kite Lake" appears.
Set up your filter to show hierarchical keywords.
Also, when I apply a library filter for "Colorado", I do not see the Kite Lake pix, although I do see the pix to which Windy Ridge > Colorado > USA have been applied.
Above, you said, there's no "Colorado". This sounds to me like you have duplicate keywords. Check the Keyword list panel once again, to see if you don't have duplicates of Colorado and Kite Lake.
Also, try switching your Keywording list into "Keywords and Containing keywords" mode. Can you see USA and Colorado there, for images to which you have applied the Kite Lake keyword?

How do I filter photos using the keyword hierarchy?

Since Aperture 3.1 came out, I've been taking another look at it and considering switching back from Lightroom. One baby step was to set up a proper keyword hierarchy with Aperture. Trying to use that for sorting photos, I started feeling incredibly frustrated and felt like I must be missing something screamingly obvious.
Here's my issue. Using the keyword HUD, I can set up a nested, hierarchical keyword list. The HUD helpfully displays a running tally of all photos that keyword is applied to. "Great!" I thought, I've got 46 photos of John Smith, let's take a look at them. So I click on the number. Apparently, while Aperture is happy to show you the number of photos with the keyword, it's not willing to take you to those photos (i.e., create a library filter and show the results) via the Keyword HUD.
Bringing up the filter HUD seems unhelpful for the opposite reason. While you can search via the keywords there, it doesn't show the keyword hierarchy! Am I missing something? Say I've got keywords for two people, Adam and Zoe, filed under People/Friends/. Using the keyword box in the filter HUD will list one at the beginning and the other at the end of my entire list of keywords. Worse, the filter HUD only seems helpful for keywords if you know which ones you're looking for, which defeats the point of using a hierarchy. If, say, I know there's 3 or 4 people I'm looking for under a particular category, but I can't remember their name of the top of my head, how do I go about finding them using the filter HUD? All I have is the long, uncategorized master list of keywords.
Again, I feel I must be missing something obvious. Thanks for your help.
Cheers.

I agree, clicking on a keyword in the HUD that has a number after it to get those photos seems like a no brainer. Even though I know it doesn't do that I still find myself clicking on it before I catch myself. Need to send feedback to Apple on this, clicking on a keyword should create a filter to and display those images.
In your example the images of Adam and Zoe should be tagged with the keywords that apply to them. That is they would have the keywords people, friends, male or female, Adam or Zoe, and whatever other keywords you use to describe these images. Then you check as many keywords in the filter that apply and you can remember.
While the keyword HUD shows the keywords in a hierarchy, keywords applied to an image are one dimensional, linear. Its just a string of words without structure. The hierarchy is just there to make it easier to conceptualize the structure.

How to use keyword hierarchy?

Hiya,
In my Keywords HUD, I have created a hierarchical order of keywords, such as
- Europe
-- Ireland
-- Germany
- Prints
-- A4
-- 6x4
If I want to assign the keyword "Ireland" to a bunch of photos, I select all these photos and drag the keyword from the HUD to the photos.
What I am struggling with are 2 problems:
- How do I browse interactively by keyword hierarchy? Can I select "Europe" as a keyword in order to see all photos being taken in Europe? Can I select "Gemany" afterwards in order to see the subset of photos being taken in Germany?
- How do I create smart folders containing all photos being taken in Europe? If I take as a search criteria "IPTC > Keywords" and search for "Europe", I don't get any feedback, but if I search for "Ireland", I get all the photos being taken in Ireland.
Does Aperture ignore the upper levels (e.g. "Europe", "Prints") for all its features?
Is the hierarchy exclusively used for the presentation of keywords in the Keywords HUD?
Thanks in advance for any feedback,
Stephan

Maybe I'm missing something, as I typically ask questions, not answer them, but doesn't this work for you?
Either type Europe into the quick search section of the Search Panel or toggle open the "text" criteria and enter it there.
That should find the images by the upper level keywords.
You can narrow the search by selecting match "all" and adding more text items for upper level keywords, or by selecting lower level keywords from the keywords criteria section.
The manual states that you can quick search multiple text items by separating them by commas, but that didn't seem to work for me. Aperture seems to treat upper level keywords as text, and they can be searched as such.
Once the search is completed, click the create smart album, and you should have what you are looking for, I hope.
Good Luck!
Steve
MacPro 2.66GHz, 2G Memory Mac OS X (10.4.8) Aperture 1.5.2

RE: How to export keywords tied to images

Can someone give me a step by step as to how to export keywords from one computer so that they will be linked to images in an identical folder in another computer? Haven't been able to find a clear answer in this forum.
Thanks.
Tice

Hi Jerome,
I figured out that a change has to be done to load in the configuration, specifically in the Prepare View Stream component.
Have you reviewed my comment on this post?
https://wikis.oracle.com/display/endecainformationdiscovery/Export+View+Configuration
Hope everything is fine on your side :)
Thanks
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