Export Self Contained DV PAL in correct 16:9 Aspect Ratio

Hi,
I know that when you export DVPAL 16:9 anamorphic edits out using simple QT export the resulting video is 4:3 in aspect as the ratios are not exported.
I understand that bit and the whole anamorphic behaviour of the files.
However, what I'm trying to do it output a file with NO conversion at all - I want it a pure export of the timeline with no loss in quality - that when played back on another Mac or PC displays properly in 16:9 ratio as it was shot/edited. I want to give a client a master copy of the final edited production.
I've tried the QT player movie properties>presentation> settings of 'clean/production' etc and that didn't show correctly (slightly wider but not full 16:9).
I have seen posts about changing the height of the final movie when being played back on a computer screen to compensate and show properly but they were for NTSC, does anyone have the correct sizes for 16:9 playback in the PAL frame size (786x576). Scales down to what? 786x442???
Ideally is there any other way to get QT or any other program to play it properly - Mac and PC - WITHOUT CONVERSION that would be great!!
Or do I just have ti instruct clients to check the 'anamorphic button in any DVD authoring software they use, or manually change the visual settings frame size within QT player when they watch it???
Thanks
Steve

Thanks Denis.
Strange.
The SD footage is captured on a Sony Z7 with CF card MRC1K unit, and then using the Sony/Apple Log & Transfer Utility this is how it comes into FCP. (it re-wraps the recorded Sony .avi files into .mov)
When looking at a 'captured' file (ie not actually captured but transferred from CF card to hdd) with QT the frame size shows 768x576, but when loaded into FCP is does say 720x576.
Once the file has been exported as QT movie the file is indeed 720x576 in QT player properties.
Fun huh.
Thanks
Steve

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