Export using sRGB IEC61966-2.1 color profile

HI,
I want to export some photos, in JPG format using color profile sRGB IEC61966-2.1. In the "Export to Hard Drive" dialog box I see where to select the color space where I can select sRGB, AdobeRGB (1998), ProPhoto RGB, or Other. When I select "other" I see a list of color profiles but sRGB IEC61966-2.1 is not included in the list.
How can I add sRGB IEC61966-2.1 to this list?
Thanks -- Dan

LR uses the standard v 2 profile (sRGB IEC61966-2.1) as I stated. You can, from the print module, replace it with a v 4 profile (sRGB_v4_ICC_preference. ). Of course this won't be used by any browser except Safari, may confuse print services, but does give some better results, unfortunately until at least Firefox sorts out their reluctance to allow v 4 profiles (and of course IE is beyond redemption) it isn't worth it. I wonder if Adobe will ever default to the v 4?

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OFFSET: 0x00000000
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