Exporting Ratings, Labels, and Keywords to DNG/XMP

I am a long-time Lightroom user in search of an efficient iPad rating and labeling solution. I've recently found PixelSync which provides an amazing UI just for that, but syncing to Aperture. So I got that to see if I can export my ratings, labels, and keywords, and also compare Aperture with Lightroom.
Following Peter Krogh's excellent workflow idea. I prefer to sync my metadata edits back to DNG specifically for the purpose of using it as the package tying the RAW iimage and ratings, keywords, etc. Lightroom syncs such data back to DNG upon demand (a menu choice).
Aperture has a menu item to sync IPTC data back to master, and I see a DNG is updated in some way. Yet I don't see the rating, not label, updated, when syncing to Media Pro (or any other EXIF viewer which reads DNG). There are also some presets which have checkboxes next to IPTC fields; selecting Rating and Label as checked in several of them did not lead to them appearing in the DNG though.
I've bought the Lightbox XMP export plugin, but that wants to run in 32-bit mode, and though does its job, you have to select the location for the export. Similarly, exporting master from Aperture, I could do IPTC4XMP, but then again I have to select the location and I don't care about the RAW. Export Metadata menu item again asks for output location and exports in plain text.
While all this seems scriptable, I wonder is there a way to just sync back to DNG?
Cheers,
Alexy

OK -- the problem was with my EXIF viewer, Media Pro. When I checked the DNGs in Adobe Bridge, I see the ratings are in fact exported from Aperture vie the Metadata=>Write IPTC Metadata to Master. Keep in kind that I found all possivle "IPTC presets" dialogues and checked Rating and Label checkboxes in them, so I'm not sure it will work out of the box.
Now there's a great rating workflow with DNG=>Lightroom AND Aperture=>iPad rating=>Aperture=>DNG=>Lightroom.

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I know Bridge offers labeling and ratings of RAW formats and they
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