Exporting Versions sends master and version files

For some reason when I try to export versions of my photos instead of exporting just the versions aperture sends both the master and the version. Any ideas of how this can be avoided? Do I have something wrong in a preset or preference?

Do you mean that you are getting the original RAW file as well?
Ian

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