Extend new airport extreme with 2 additional airports

Hi,
Just got a brand new airport extreme (ac model) and this is now my setup:
1. New Extreme is main router
2. Older 4th gen Extreme is extending main Extreme
3. Airport Express N (1st gen) is extending older Extreme
Things seem to work but when using iStumber for testing (normally what I do) I only see 4 networks not 5. I do not see a network for my Express although it seems that I have a connection there based on signal strength. Both extenders have green lights (and of course the main), but I'm a bit confused by this. I have my network with a different name for 5GHz (didn't realize older Extreme would extend both bands but seems to be the case), but I'm only intending to extend the 2.4GHz band with the Express. Also funny thing is when I'm near my Express in iStumbler the strongest network seems to be the 2.4GHz band from my main router which should be impossible since I'm too far away. Unless when being extended now the Express is being masked to appear as my main router? But this was never the case before when I only had one extender...
Ok hope this makes sense can someone please educate me on this thanks for your time,
rc

I thought you could put more than 2
You can....but each extender must communicate directly to the main router. Apple's extend feature works like the hub and spokes of a wheel.
Your new AirPort Extreme is the "hub". The old Extreme resides at the end of a "spoke", and as such it communicates directly to the "hub".
You can have other extenders at the ends of other "spokes", but each one of them communicates directly to the "hub"......not to another extender at the end of another "spoke".
So even thought Extend is selected it just functions as Join?
Yes, if you try to make it connect to another extender.
Should I just change it to Join?
Up to you. it does not matter.
And now if I can only use the 2 Extremes since they are both dual-band there is no reason to really have separate names is there?
Again, up to you. Things are a lot simpler though, if you use just one network name.
in the Airport Utility overview sometimes all 3 airports are coming stacked on top of each other and sometimes my new Extreme is on top and the older ones are side by side underneath does this make a difference?
First, I hope you are not using AirPort Utility on an iPhone or iPad, because things do not always appear accurately on those devices.
The "new" Extreme" should be at the top of the stack. The old Extreme with a dotted line between the new and old indicates that the old Extreme is connecting using wireless and extending.
If the Express appears side by side with old Extreme, it is extending. If it appears under the old Extreme, then it is connecting to the old Extreme and it is not extending.
If you experiment with the location of the Express, you might be able to get it to extend the new AirPort Extreme. It will help if it is closer to the new Extreme than it is to the old Extreme.

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Hi,
Let me just explain what I am trying to do and I would love any help or suggestions.
I have the modem going into the airport extreme. The extreme is about 30 feet away, hard wired and hanging upside down in my hallway (should it be on the wall or upside down on ceiling?) From the airport extreme I have a cable going to a 8 port hub which I have my PS3, XBOX 360, Roku, Apple TV, 3D DVD and two 3D Tv's hooked up so there all hardwired. Another cable is coming from the airport extreme and I want to take that further into the house down the hallway and wire that into an aiport express which would then boost my signal. Is my thought process wrong there? I know I can do all that with my airport extreme, and then putting my airport express within range of the extreme I can wirelessly extend the network but I was thinkning I could have a wifi network from the extreme and then have the airport express hardwired to boost the network instead of it boosting it wirlessly. If I am not making sense let me know. I had the airport express extending the network wirelessly but it was not helping at all. Both are brand new, the extreme and the express. The wireless clients are all new also, new macbook, macbook pro, 2009 iMac, 3 iPhone 4's and 2 iPad 2's so I am pretty sure there all wireless N devices so it should not slow down my network right? I have no techincal background, just learning this from reading forums etc so I am trying to give all information that I can think of thats useful. Please ask any question and I will answer, I just hope I can figure something out. I live in a 1400 square foot apartment so it surprises me that the extreme (new dual band etc) doesnt give me internet everywhere let alone with also having an airport express extending the network. In the back two bedrooms and bathroom which are down the hallway and about 25 feet from the extreme have signal that is so bad that sometimes I cant even read simple RSS feeds let alone download app updates etc on my devices. I have setup the airport extreme to have both 2.4ghz and 5ghz networks and I see them both on all devices except for my iPhone. I have changed the channels for both frequencies by using Tumblr I believe it was and seeing what channels all the networks around me are. My present internet speeds aer 18mbs down and 2 mb up when I am sitting next to the aiport extreme and in direct line of sight. This also holds true on my iMac and laptops in the same room. The laptops in the backrooms get internet and I can do more with them than my iOS devices but even on there I have a hard time streaming etc. I am trying to get internet back there for my sons room, I have a wifi camera that I want to setup in there and so he can use an iPad there (he is 20 months which is why I want the camera) and for my room I have another Roku and Apple TV that barely get signal and are constantly buffering.
I am about to wall mount the exstreme with an airmount and am looking to permanently set everything up so please any suggestions, or hints, or things I need to be aware of please do tell. I would hate to mount everything and run the cables etc and miss something obvious. I appreciate your guys help and thanks for taking the time to read this.
basically
modem = airport extreme, that = (8 port hub)+(wired to aiport express) the express would then put out a wifi network to go along with the aiport extreme.

The extreme is about 30 feet away, hard wired and hanging upside down in my hallway (should it be on the wall or upside down on ceiling?
The ceiling will normally provide the best coverage in a typical room. The whole idea here is to limit obstructions between the AirPort Extreme and devices receving the wireless signal. Wall mounting can work well, again with the idea being to provide a clear signal path to devices.
Another cable is coming from the airport extreme and I want to take that further into the house down the hallway and wire that into an aiport express which would then boost my signal.
This type of configuration will provide the best bandwidth for the wireless network, and also allow you to locate the AirPort Express where it work most effectively. You want to configure what is known as a "roaming" network. The AiirPort Express will be configured using the same wireless network name, security setting and password as the AirPort Extreme. It is mandatory that the AirPort Express be configured in Bridge Mode when you do this.
Apple's instructions for this are in this link:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4260

New AP Extreme with new Air shows PHY mode ?as n -- not ac

Option-clicking the menu bar Wifi icon shows that my new Airport Extreme (with my 2012 Air) is showing 802.11 n. I thought it would show 802.11 ac. What gives

scomac wrote:
I have the 2013 (Haswell) Air and the new, tall Airport Extreme. Option=clicking the WiFi icon in the menu bar shows that the PHY Mode is 802.11n with a transmit rate not higher than 150, and often lower.
For some reason, I was able to see the PHY Mode as AC last night, and it showed a transmit rate of 867, expected for AC.
However, now all that I see in PHY Mode is 802.11n
I'd like to see the speed I paid for . . . .
A speed of 150 means it has joined the 2.4ghz wireless..
The AC signal is only transmitted on 5ghz..
Give the 5ghz wireless a different name to 2.4ghz.. so you can select it in the Air. But it might still not show the full speed or might well not work.. the apple equipment is designed to swap bands automagically according to signal which depends on the location. Sometimes though it is over complicated.. and easier to just pick it yourself.
AC signal probably still will not have the range that 2.4ghz does.. although that depends on if Apple amplified 2.4ghz as well as 5ghz.

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I know the old APs you could not setup with a PC...
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...can you with the new Airport Extremes?
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Well, this is interesting,
Let me tell you coulpe of things I noticed:
- Are you using LEAP as the EAP method? some config examples illustrate configuriong using LEAP with WEP keys. Forget this and use WPA2-AES.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/wireless/ps4570/products_configuration_example09186a00801c40b6.shtml
- in some AP configurations (AP1 for example) I can see that:
wlccp authentication-server client any method_Users
This means that the wlccp client authentication will use the method called method_Users. Let us see what is configured with this method:
aaa authentication login method_Users group Users
This shows us that the method method_Users uses the server group named Users.
let us see what is configured withe the group Users:
aaa group server radius Users
NOTHING!! it is empty!! so when a client tries to connect it will try to autheticate it against the radius server but the radius server group that it needs to check is empty.
so I think you need to either use the correct method under which the server is configured with the wlccp statement. OR you need to configure the method_Users with correct user group that contains a server.
Check and let me know if that works.
Regards,
Amjad

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Thanks for the additional information.
Unfortunately, the AirPort Utility application in the Lion and Mountain Lion operating systems, which is used to configure the new Time Capsule does not support the older versions of the products that you have.
Even if it did, there are no settings on the older AirPorts to "Extend a wireless network", so they are not compatible with the new Time Capsule if you intend to extend the network only using wireless connections.
If you have the ability to connect each AirPort to the Time Capsule using a permanent wired Ethernet cable connection, it might be possible to use a complicated workaround to install an older version of AirPort Utility to configure the older AirPorts to work with the new Time Capsule.
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CAN"T EXTEND RANGE OF NEW AIRPORT EXTREME WITH OLD AIRPORT EXPRESS

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I am having a heck of a time getting my new network setup with this new 802.11n Airport Extreme... Here is what I currently have going on:
I have a G5 1.8 it is my main computer and in ROOM #1... Connected to it is my NEW AIRPORT EXTREME via an Ethernet cable to one of the available ports. Also connected to the NEW AIRPORT EXTREME is my CABLE MODEM... This works great, It is setup and I have internet via Ethernet... I CAN EVEN CONNECT IN ROOM #2 with a PC and an Apacer wireless adapter...
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http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=944334&tstart=0
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I have replaced my airport extreme with a new airport time capsule and want to know how I can set up my extreme to extend/strengthen my Wi-Fi?

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How do I extend my existent Airport Extreme network by addition of a 2nd Airport Extreme?

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Does new Airport Extreme slow down when used with Airport Express?

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If get the new Airport extreme and use an old airport express to extend it, will signal slow down to the old speed?
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The airport express is g technology not n technology, so it will be at least as slow as your old network. Also, I'm not sure but I think the the range will be a bit longer than with the old g system, but does not have the full potential of an n system.
I've set up my new system but none of my machines are n capable. I extended the system using my old expresses. The speed of the system is no greater than what it was before the n.
I bought the system to upgrade my technology because everytime my Applecare runs out, I get a new computer which isn't too far down the road. I've purchased an Apple TV which will also work better with the n technology when I upgrade. It's either buy it now or buy it later. I'm also hoping that some third party like Belkin will develop a PCIX card to provide n technology to those of my computers that aren't currently n capable. I'm sure there is many like me out there.

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