Extended networks and user limits

Here's my setup in a small office with 10 people:
DSL modem > AirportExtreme (dual channel), extended over ethernet to an Airport Express set up to extend the b/g/n network.
Over half of the people use the wireless network, and most people here have an iPhone, so depending on where people are standing at any given moment, the possibility exists that the Express could get more than 10 devices trying to connect.
My first question is what happens if an 11th user tries to join an Airport Express network? Will they bump someone else off, or simply not connect?
My second question is, assuming the user is turned away from the Express network because 10 users are already connected , but they are still in range of the Extreme, will their device automatically join that one, even if the signal is weaker?

My first question is what happens if an 11th user tries to join an Airport Express network? Will they bump someone else off, or simply not connect?
Probably they will not connect.
My second question is, assuming the user is turned away from the Express network because 10 users are already connected , but they are still in range of the Extreme, will their device automatically join that one, even if the signal is weaker?
This is not known since Apple has never published the algorithms they use in these situations. The best thing you can do is try it and see what happens.

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