Extending Airport Extreme N with both new "N" and old "g" express
Hi,
Have an airport extreme 802.11n 4th generation connected to a cable modem on the 2nd floor. It is set to "Allow this network to be extended". Have a 1st generation express 802.11n on the 1st floor set up as "extend network" and connected via ethernet to a PS3. That set up has been working fine. Have a roku xd/s in another room on the second floor and it was connected via wireless, but recently have felt like the signal has been less than great. I have an old express 802.11g that I'm wanting to put in that room to "join the network" (is this the same as extend the network??) and then connect that via ethernet to the roku to make the signal more constant.
Right now, the roku isn't seeing the ethernet connection (it does see the wireless network), but the bedroom express is green and is shown as "normal" on airport utility. Any advice?
Thanks for your help.
Daniel
So in my "spare time" today (so much fun to spend entire days dealing with networking issues !!) I've been changing the channels on the extreme and then rescanning the roku. I've started with the 2.4ghz channels first and only made 1-7 so far...no improvements.
Using 5 GHz devices, if they are capable, will mitigate its effects since there are many more 5 GHz channels, and there are comparatively few devices capable of using them (a cursory search reveals only the Roku 2 XS supports 5 GHz).
Actually, I belive my Roku XD/S is in fact dual band (supports both 5ghz and 2.4 ghz). Once I finish the above exercise with the 2.4 spectrum...I'll try switching through the 5Ghz channels to see if that improves anything. My suspision is that this won't solve anything as the roku is open to "grab on" to whatever band it "feels" is better at any given time (for example when it trys to load content). I might be wrong.
However, I do wonder if I use the "separate 5Ghz network name option" on the extreme (currently un-checked) and then have the roku connect to this network in particular, then it will be forced to connect on the 5ghz channel and only then could I see if using 5ghz will help matters. Does this sound right?
If in fact this does work, does the network going by the original name become 2.4ghz only; and therefore I'll have to make this choice for all devices in house? Using the same line of thinking, would I also need to pick which of these 2 networks the 802.11n express is extending (I notice now that the express is set at channel 149 and I don't have the option to change that...presumably because its set to extend and the channel is set by the extreme.
I'm trying to fit the 802.11g into your network somehow, and I think the best possible use for your purposes would be to attach it to the Extreme using an Ethernet cable. This would create an additional 2.4 GHz 802.11b/g compatible access point. The longer the cable and farther away you could locate it from the Extreme or other Express, and the closer you can place it to the Roku, the more benefit it would convey.
Wired from extreme to 802.11g express is not feasible (except if they were sitting in the same room...which I think will do nothing for me.) If it is just placed in the same room as the roku and set to "join the network" broadcasted by the extreme, does this accomplish nothing?
Btw...I do use airtunes...but through the 802.11n express that is downstairs.
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I have initiated an incident with Apple (again) but I know they are just going to suggest I change my Apple ID. It's a simple one, and one that I am sure others think is theirs. I don't want to change it. I shouldn't have to. Apple should be able to tell me who is trying to use it, or at least from where.
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