Extending Network w/ AEBS and AX results in two networks?

One would think that choosing to EXTEND an already wireless network would result in a single network name, but when I add my AX to my AEBS network, I see TWO networks in Network Prefs?
Does each device, irrespective of whether or not both are part of one wireless network, get their own network name?
When attempting to extend a wireless network should the Connection Sharing (Airport Utility/Internet) be: Share a public IP address?

One would think that choosing to EXTEND an already wireless network would result in a single network name, but when I add my AX to my AEBS network, I see TWO networks in Network Prefs?
There are actually two options for "extending" your wireless network with the AirPort Utility:
o Participate in a WDS network
o Extend a wireless network
The latter option can only be done with 802.11n AirPort Extreme Base Stations (AEBSn). The former option is available for the AEBSn (as well) and primarily intended for creating a WDS with the older 802.11g AirPort Extreme Base Station (AEBS) or AirPort Express Base Station (AX).
So, to extend the wireless network of your AEBSn with the AX, you would need to select the first option, "Participate in a WDS network."
Does each device, irrespective of whether or not both are part of one wireless network, get their own network name?
No, in a WDS, there would only be one Network Name.
When attempting to extend a wireless network should the Connection Sharing (Airport Utility/Internet) be: Share a public IP address?
The Connection Sharing setting is only really of concern for the router connected to the Internet. When setting up a WDS, this setting would be meaningless for each relay/remote base station connected to the main base station.

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Hello,
I have 2 AEBS setup using the 5Ghz N network and roaming ( second AEBS is extending the wirelss network).
I works great, but If i allow wireless clients on the second AEBS (which extends an wirels network) it stops working after my iMac returns form standby or sleep mode.
After that, i am not able to connect wireless anymore, unless i reboot the extende AEBS.
For now i am okay, because i can live without the wireless clients.
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I have an extended network with 2 AE Base Stations and 2 Airport Expresses. They are all connected on the 5 GHz band and are 'N' only. The two AEBS are connected through ethernet and the two AE are extended wirelessly. I also have an apple TV, Macbook Pro and iMac that connect to this network wirelessly on a regular basis.
My question is this.... is it possible to assign which AE connects to which AEBS. The two AEBS are at opposite ends of my home on furthest levels apart. I have one in the basement on one end, and one on the second floor on the other. The two AE are in the middle on the first floor in between the bases.
The problem I seem to be having is that they (the two AE) are not connecting to the base station that gives them a good signal. They connect fine, but the BS they are connecting to give them a weak signal essentially making them ineffective in their extension. I want to be able to assign them to the closest BS to make them more effective.
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Sure,
They are actually independent of the apple gear in that they are simply attached as wireless access points to provide for the wireless g side of my network. Their IP's are static and they provide my windows machines and gaming consoles their wireless feed.
The two Airport Extremes and Airport Express's make up the foundation of my 5 GHz wireless N network for my Apple systems. The two airport express's not only extend my network but also work as airtunes devices in my house.
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Hi,
I'm struggling to achieve what I thought to be an easy setup process.
*What I want to achieve?:*
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Extending Network w/ AEBS and AX results in two networks?

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